[Paul j Filidei]

That's great..I know newer Model 3 ,s with Standard Battery is way less than stated .And you have a lot of Lucid hatters posting because of Lucids technology success and range and Charge times.Each person drives different..It's hard not to push the pedal on a Lucid and a Tesla to enjoy the the HP and Speeds.. have a great day.

 

[Ashoka8350]

I wasn't aware that regulations require to estimate rage be EPA mileage. I had a Chevy Volt before so if this is indeed by law, it appears not to apply to the Volt (which is a plug in hybrid).
I that case Lucid should calculate both EPA and realistic range. After all the EPA range is a useless number.

Actually Lucid records the actual mile vs EPA miles. The difference varies with driving and other factors.

 

[Bearmountain]

Epa hwy test is 10 min max speed of 60mph and availability speed 48mph. All light duty vehicles. Nowhere near 70 to 80 most people are driving.

 

[Ashoka8350]

Epa hwy test is 10 min max speed of 60mph and availability speed 48mph. All light duty vehicles. Nowhere near 70 to 80 most people are driving.

Quote from review of EPA miles:

"At the end of the day electric vehicle range ratings are an estimate, just like MPG numbers are just estimates for gas cars. The EPA and automakers can’t guarantee that any given driver of any given car will experience the rated numbers. More aggressive drivers will be less efficient and see less range as a result. Electric vehicles won’t go as far in cold weather either."

 

[eric.ladror]

Epa hwy test is 10 min max speed of 60mph and availability speed 48mph. All light duty vehicles. Nowhere near 70 to 80 most people are driving.

Once again, this is NOT the point of the discussion. The point is that Lucid is using EPA mileage to estimate range and not the actual mileage. Another reader claimed that this is dictated by regulation. I have not been able to verify this claim, but whatever the case, it is remarkably stupid to estimate range by a number that is used to compare cars and not by a real number.

 

[Ashoka8350]

Once again, this is NOT the point of the discussion. The point is that Lucid is using EPA mileage to estimate range and not the actual mileage. Another reader claimed that this is dictated by regulation. I have not been able to verify this claim, but whatever the case, it is remarkably stupid to estimate range by a number that is used to compare cars and not by a real number.

Your point is well taken.

However all ICE cars milage estimates on MSRP is as per EPA quotes.

So why it should be any different for EV's.

I don't think I would expect any different. You may have to rethink what you are asking.

 

[Paul j Filidei]

EPA Range is done with a Dyno.. Same test on all EV,s.. They drain the batteries to Zero then use the cars charging to get 100 percent..Let the car sit overnight and then Start the city Dyno test.. Running average city Speeds , slow downs and acceleration...Then Dyno test Hwy.. Speeds Slow down and acceleration and hill's etc... Then a formula for both city and hwy and gives the EPA Range. Edmond's does real world driving test range on EV,s. you can look them up... They brought a lucid that under performed as many EV,s do in real world hard driving.. They have sent the Lucid to factory to get it tested..Waiting on info back.But Edmond's real world test still has Lucid in the First and second place.. You can see All the results on ,Lucid , Tesla, EV, MB, and others to compare EPA and real driving test and habit's..Just some info to look at.

 

[eric.ladror]

Your point is well taken.

However all ICE cars milage estimates on MSRP is as per EPA quotes.

So why it should be any different for EV's.

I don't think I would expect any different. You may have to rethink what you are asking.

Most ICE cars do not calculate range, and range is not so important for ICE. They can refuel anywhere in just a few minutes, we cannot! We can get stuck miles away from a suitable outlet and it takes hour. So different cars - different rules. Besides I have no objection to providing both numbers, a realistic range and a utopian range. They certainly have the space for both.
Btw, Chevy Volt provide only a realistic range that is remarkably accurate.

 

[yellowchevy66]

Have you noticed how unrealistic the range estimate in Lucids? It appears that Lucid is using the EPA rated consumption of 4.7 miles/kWh (in my car after charging to 80%, the car shows range of 344 miles. 344/(92x0.8)=4.67.) I am in the Chicago area, so now in winter I get about 2.7 m/kWh, according to my measurements in "Trip A or B" and estimate since last charge. What Lucid should do is keep a running average of consumption over the last 50 miles and use this number to multiply by kWh for range estimate. I believe that this is what GM does because range estimate in GM cars has been remarkably accurate.

I have never got the range to go to 500 miles, even with new car. max with electrify america charging was 469. That is in the south and warm weather.

 

[eric.ladror]

I have never got the range to go to 500 miles, even with new car. max with electrify america charging was 469. That is in the south and warm weather.

Thank you, but that wasn't the point. The point was that Lucid is using the unrealistic EPA mileage to calculate range instead of actual. If they are required by regulation to give range based on EPA mileage they should provide both actally (useful) and EPA (stupid).

 

[eric.ladror]

Thank you, but that wasn't the point. The point was that Lucid is using the unrealistic EPA mileage to calculate range instead of actual. If they are required by regulation to give range based on EPA mileage they should provide both actally (useful) and EPA (stupid).

And by the way, I hear that VW in the ID4 provides both rang figure, as I was suggesting, based actual mileage and EPA