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Hi All;

After another maddening SvC appointment, in which I was sent away with my MS center screen unrepaired after a year of trying, I visited the Lucid BH store.

What a difference! Clearly way better than Tesla!

Although I have a new Tesla MS on order, I am seriously considering cancelling and getting the Air Touring, same price.

Looking forward to learning a lot more about the Air...
 

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Hi All;

After another maddening SvC appointment, in which I was sent away with my MS center screen unrepaired after a year of trying, I visited the Lucid BH store.

What a difference! Clearly way better than Tesla!

Although I have a new Tesla MS on order, I am seriously considering cancelling and getting the Air Touring, same price.

Looking forward to learning a lot more about the Air...
Welcome aboard. I think you will be VERY satisfied with a Lucid Air Touring. From everything I have seen, heard and read, this will blow away any Tesla. I also have an Air Grand Touring reserved back in April. I’m eagerly awaiting the call to finalize my order.
 

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Hi All;

After another maddening SvC appointment, in which I was sent away with my MS center screen unrepaired after a year of trying, I visited the Lucid BH store.

What a difference! Clearly way better than Tesla!

Although I have a new Tesla MS on order, I am seriously considering cancelling and getting the Air Touring, same price.

Looking forward to learning a lot more about the Air...
After 2 yellowing repairs and extremely slow responsive on my Model S screen I broke down and paid the $2500 to replace mine. Crazy that was the only way for my problems with the screen to get repaired. Really hoping the Lucid will be a better engineered vehicle.
 

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I am stubborn and refuse to give up what I paid for. But no luck so far. Next appt is Dec 6th...

Looks like I am not the only Tesla service induced refugee here..
 

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I am stubborn and refuse to give up what I paid for. But no luck so far. Next appt is Dec 6th...

Looks like I am not the only Tesla service induced refugee here..
It was the lack of quality and customer service that has kept me from ever considering a Tesla. Nice Tech with Tesla with level 2 “FSD”, but Lucid beats them in the technology that counts.
 

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Hi All;

After another maddening SvC appointment, in which I was sent away with my MS center screen unrepaired after a year of trying, I visited the Lucid BH store.

What a difference! Clearly way better than Tesla!

Although I have a new Tesla MS on order, I am seriously considering cancelling and getting the Air Touring, same price.

Looking forward to learning a lot more about the Air...
Welcome @Aerodyne! What stands out to you the most about the Air compared to the Model S?
 

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I'm a Tesla driver with a model 3 performance. My Plaid arrived in late August but I elected not to pick it up because I had ordered a lucid Grand touring. I'm not sure if I'm really going to purchase it though because it doesn't seem like the performance is there. There's no reason they can't get the 0 to 60 time under 3 seconds on 140,000 EV. I'm feeling like we are buying an artificially derated dream edition and getting less performance than my $70,000 m3p. It's also concerning me that the car has been described as the ultimate dad car with a comfortable floaty suspension.
 

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I'm a Tesla driver with a model 3 performance. My Plaid arrived in late August but I elected not to pick it up because I had ordered a lucid Grand touring. I'm not sure if I'm really going to purchase it though because it doesn't seem like the performance is there. There's no reason they can't get the 0 to 60 time under 3 seconds on 140,000 EV.
In August we replaced our 2015 Tesla Model S P90D with a Plaid . . . and promptly found out that its acceleration capability is pointless except on a race track (where its brakes reportedly aren't up to the task). For starters, the front end of the car goes so light under hard acceleration that it's downright dangerous to go too deep into the throttle. (Tesla has tired to address the problem with a software recalibration of the suspension, but to only very limited result.) Second, getting hard into the throttle makes passengers queasy and quickly gets old for the driver, too. In short, the capabilities our Plaid has over the 3.2 seconds to sixty of our P90D is pretty much useless except as an occasional party trick.

There are far more usable reasons to pick the Lucid Air over the Tesla. And I say that liking Teslas enough to have bought two for our household and one for my brother.


It's also concerning me that the car has been described as the ultimate dad car with a comfortable floaty suspension.
Who has said that? Jonny Lieberman of "Motor Trend" noted that the car has a bit of desirable luxury car float in the "Smooth" driver setting. But when in "Swift" or "Sprint" modes, he said the car eats up curves and stays planted like nobody's business. This has also been the conclusion of "Transport Evolved", "Out of Spec Motoring", "InsideEVs", "Two Bit DaVinci", "Car & Driver", "Edmunds", and a host of other well-respected reviewers who have raved about the suspension's adroit combination of compliance and top-notch handling. Even Kyle Conner of "Out of Spec Motoring", after flippantly commenting that the Lucid Air was more a car for Florida retirees, later clarified his remark by saying Lucid did the best job among the Tesla Model S, the Mercedes EQS, and the Porsche Taycan of striking the perfect balance between luxury, comfort, performance, and handling. "Transport Evolved" said it was actually biased a bit more toward being a pure driver's car than a luxury car. And "Car & Driver" likened it to a BMW 550 sport sedan more than any other EV on the road.
 

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Let me say this, after driving 400 miles if the Lucid is considered "comfortable floaty suspension" then anything that actually floats would be literally flying in the air.

The Air is very planted to the ground and handles VERY well around corners and curves with very little body roll. The drive is very similar to Porsche but with a heavy more weighted feel.
 

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I'm not sure if I'm really going to purchase it though because it doesn't seem like the performance is there.
They are supposedly working on a 1,400 HP tri-motor version. No idea how much it will cost and no idea when they will reveal. But it was hinted at their recent earnings call (they just said they are working on other Air variants). The 1,400 number was quoted by Jonny Lieberman in one of his review videos.
 

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They are supposedly working on a 1,400 HP tri-motor version. No idea how much it will cost and no idea when they will reveal. But it was hinted at their recent earnings call (they just said they are working on other Air variants). The 1,400 number was quoted by Jonny Lieberman in one of his review videos.
If each motor is capable of 680hp why stop at 1400hp? I would line up for the 2040hp trimotor version. I can also imagine the tire premium to run that version. Lol
 

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In August we replaced our 2015 Tesla Model S P90D with a Plaid . . . and promptly found out that its acceleration capability is pointless except on a race track (where its brakes reportedly aren't up to the task). For starters, the front end of the car goes so light under hard acceleration that it's downright dangerous to go too deep into the throttle. (Tesla has tired to address the problem with a software recalibration of the suspension, but to only very limited result.) Second, getting hard into the throttle makes passengers queasy and quickly gets old for the driver, too. In short, the capabilities our Plaid has over the 3.2 seconds to sixty of our P90D is pretty much useless except as an occasional party trick.

There are far more usable reasons to pick the Lucid Air over the Tesla. And I say that liking Teslas enough to have bought two for our household and one for my brother.




Who has said that? Jonny Lieberman of "Motor Trend" noted that the car has a bit of desirable luxury car float in the "Smooth" driver setting. But when in "Swift" or "Sprint" modes, he said the car eats up curves and stays planted like nobody's business. This has also been the conclusion of "Transport Evolved", "Out of Spec Motoring", "InsideEVs", "Two Bit DaVinci", "Car & Driver", "Edmunds", and a host of other well-respected reviewers who have raved about the suspension's adroit combination of compliance and top-notch handling. Even Kyle Conner of "Out of Spec Motoring", after flippantly commenting that the Lucid Air was more a car for Florida retirees, later clarified his remark by saying Lucid did the best job among the Tesla Model S, the Mercedes EQS, and the Porsche Taycan of striking the perfect balance between luxury, comfort, performance, and handling. "Transport Evolved" said it was actually biased a bit more toward being a pure driver's car than a luxury car. And "Car & Driver" likened it to a BMW 550 sport sedan more than any other EV on the road.
Thank you for those various sources about the suspension. I had seen the first one you referenced and then watched a few of the video blogs from the dream event. Nobody with quite the pedigree that you source here.

The three second is 0 to 60 and my m3p has proven to be very enjoyable for everyone I take for a ride. If the Grand touring turned on any slower than that it would be a deal breaker. I totally get the difference in perceived acceleration and comfort between 3 and 1.9. I can live somewhere in the middle so long as the mid-range acceleration is closer to the plaid then the m3p.
 

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Thank you for those various sources about the suspension. I had seen the first one you referenced and then watched a few of the video blogs from the dream event. Nobody with quite the pedigree that you source here.

The three second is 0 to 60 and my m3p has proven to be very enjoyable for everyone I take for a ride. If the Grand touring turned on any slower than that it would be a deal breaker. I totally get the difference in perceived acceleration and comfort between 3 and 1.9. I can live somewhere in the middle so long as the mid-range acceleration is closer to the plaid then the m3p.
Just curious...do you track your car?
 

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Thank you for those various sources about the suspension. I had seen the first one you referenced and then watched a few of the video blogs from the dream event. Nobody with quite the pedigree that you source here.

The three second is 0 to 60 and my m3p has proven to be very enjoyable for everyone I take for a ride. If the Grand touring turned on any slower than that it would be a deal breaker. I totally get the difference in perceived acceleration and comfort between 3 and 1.9. I can live somewhere in the middle so long as the mid-range acceleration is closer to the plaid then the m3p.
You may be just on the edge here. The GT 0-60 is supposed to be 3.0-3.1 range. About the same as my old model S P85DL which was plenty fast. It was not that long ago ( 20 years?) that anything under 5 seconds 0-60 was rarified air. I think we all have gotten a little jaded here on the incredible performance
 
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