[Daniel2022]

The market for EVs is in for massive growth long-term despite short-term recession fears and interest rate hikes. Yes the economy is cyclical and it always will be. Also, the market segment for large luxury sedans at $100k+ is extremely narrow but for that reason it is the preferred entry point. Lucid could never exist solely on the Air and neither could Tesla exist solely on the S. The automotive business is not for the faint of heart. It will take years for the Lucid product to function at its full potential and many more years to build out its product portfolio. It has taken Tesla 10 years to get to its current level of maturity and even now is it self sustaining? Maybe. However, the S is pretty long in the tooth and I don’t see a lot of investment in product. The automotive industry winners are always about product.

I think Lucid is a wonderful experience to be a part of. Risky? Heck yes. But whatever happens I’m joining in on the fun. Not that often in life this type of opportunity comes along. If this is not fun for you, then it may not be a good fit. A car is not worth losing sleep over. Downside? Well, 20 years after Delorean went out of business that car became worth 20x as a collectors item.

 

[VoitureElectrique]

Have you seen the out of spec review on YouTube?

In a iX60 He got 339 miles in a full charge on highway with 22 inch wheels, 71 mph. 3.1 m/kWh.
I think impressive.

Good to know! I find that a little hard to replicate, but that's still a great data point!

 

[Lucidwife]

I have owned BMWs for over 25 years - everything from the 1st BMW X5 to M6 convertible to the hybrid 7 series and also own the Lucid Touring. I loved the handling on the bimmers, but Lucid beats them all hands down. I agree with Daniel when he says BMW quality has slipped lately. My X5 was great but my BMW 740e cost $2000 in repairs less than 30 days after the warranty expired! So far I have had great experience dealing with Lucid customer service, but on the flip side what am I doing dealing with customer service within 2 months of owning the Lucid! So the quality card still needs to be evaluated for the Lucid.

I picked the Lucid primarily due to fast charging, long range and amazing handling as well as ride comfort. I think 400 mile range is key to having a road trip worthy car, anything less does not make sense. The Lucid has 425 mile range minus 50 miles if you are driving over 70 mph, minus 50 miles if you are driving at 50 degrees or lower weather and minus another 40 miles because I don't want to drive with less than 40 miles range. This brings us to an actual range of 285 miles which is 4 hours of driving (@70 mph). If you do the same math for a car with 300 miles of range, we are down stopping every 160 miles for a re-fill which may be 40 minutes vs Lucid's 20 minutes. If you want to make the numbers any uglier, remember that you can only fast charge to 80% after your initial full tank.

So I would be politically incorrect and say that the Lucid would be a better choice for road trips. I have been a BMW fan because of the Ultimate driving machine, but now Lucid seems to have taken that away as well. On the other hand, you cannot beat the utility of an SUV when you want to pick up that dining table you bought on Facebook marketplace.

The only problem here is the EV America, or lack of, network. LOVED the Lucid on the road/for me as the passenger SO comfortable! But want that with the Tesla charging network…..we own a MY which I drive.

 

[Tomcrown]

I hope they make it. I own stock with them. But not going to bet 100k more that tbey do. That is an expensive risk I am not willing to take.

Lucid is a 50% gamble. The prove is in their recent push to get reservation holders to reconsider their cancellation.
The best hope for Lucid survival is that the Sudias decide to take over. If they do I fully expect a new management team or if rumors are correct Apple buys out Lucid and in three years phase out the name Lucid. They will replace it with Apple car.
That is the only way I see Lucid surviving through being bought out.

 

[shrikantjee]

The only problem here is the EV America, or lack of, network. LOVED the Lucid on the road/for me as the passenger SO comfortable! But want that with the Tesla charging network…..we own a MY which I drive.

I agree that charging is currently not good. I will test this for myself when I drive from Tulsa OK to Knoxville TN on Thursday. The way I look at it, with everyone from Merc, BMW, GM, Ford, Shell and Open for all Tesla getting into the electric charger business the charging pains are short lived (maybe a year), but the vastly superior ride quality on the Lucid will be there past the 1st year.

 

[ralsagoff]

I own a Tesla Model S that I purchased in Sep 2013, when Tesla was an unknown new EV manufacturer. The car has driven flawlessly despite my hard and fast driving. Have done all the upgrades recommended along the way including the 5G upgrade last year. Tesla does all the required service and does not neglect the older Model S. There are OTA software upgrades at least four times a year. I have lifetime free internet and super charging. Have replaced tires a few times but still have original brake’s because of the regenerative braking with little need to use the brakes. My S is also unique as I have a metal roof instead of the glass roof which attracts heat in the summer in CA. I’m waiting for a BMW i7 which I have already test driven. This would be my luxury sedan to just took around but I’m keeping my 2013 Model S that still drives like a rocket and can trash any car from the traffic stoplights including a Taycan!

 

[steveinarizona]

My conclusion is an SUV which has a poor Cd and 800 pounds extra weight will not come anywhere close to the efficiency of a Lucid in an apples to apples comparison with a driver having the same skill. Not even close.

Of course it won't. I don't know anyone with any intellect who doesn't realize that both the design of an SUV (tall) and the weight mean it won't have the efficiency of a similarly powered sedan or coupe. But SUV buyers are often looking for other benefits such as storage, ease of access to storage, better sight lines to the road, etc.

Buyers have different needs and desires. I like a smaller vehicle but one that has performance and luxury. Getting all three together is pretty difficult as most legacy car makers only offer up the luxury as you move up in size. I was patiently waiting on a Lucid when a Genesis GV60 popped up in my local dealer. Only 177" long but with 483 HP and nappa seating, ultrasuede headliner, etc. But, yes, it doesn't handle like a sedan.

On the other hand, three weeks ago I had a left hip replacement. Four days later I was driving as the seat in the GV60 Performance is the perfect height for me and the car has easy entry/easy exit (why in the world Lucid hasn't offered this I don't know) making it very easy to get in and out of the car.

My conclusion: just as people are different, so are cars. Each of us must decide what is important and what is desirable and what one cannot live without and then identify the car that most closely meets those needs and desires.