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Took delivery a few days ago:

Lets start with the good:

overall a very nice lux car.

Massage seats are best in the biz.

Super smooth lux ride

nice sounding stereo

head turning looks


As to be expected with the first cars there are some early issues......:

exterior door handles are an engineering mess. They dont always work and when they dont pop out people try and push them in and then they get stuck and don't open at all. Mine was stuck for days until it finally popped back out. Even if you know what to do the valet dont and they all push in on the hadles and they get stuck.

key fobs show low battery warning even after chasing batteries

I cant find a way to separate what's on top screen from bottom tablet - no way to have radio above and map below

The built in maps are mot good so the lack of Apple Car play is disappointing. Im told its coming later.
XM radio is also not available.

3-5 second delays when switching screens (ac, massage seats etc) - this might be the most shocking for a car of this price. there are literally 3-5 second delays between screens which is also very dangerous as it keeps your eyes off the road. The car will tell you your eyes are not on the road by beeping - but the fact it keeps beeping tells you its an engineering problem.

massage seats supposed to stay in 20 min and usually turn off after 3-5 - this happens all the time.

When you first enter car the display shows battery range - once you turn it on it only shows battery percentage which is useless.

In on track for 250 miles with a a full (MAX) charge. Not even close to 500.

interior door handles are plastic and hard to open - sometimes you have to just pull gently and they electronically open and sometimes you have to pull much harder (almost manually) its odd

the screens are very counter intuitive and require a diff screen many diff functions. many functions could be condensed to single screens - It would be nice to have a favorites setting so it remembers what I prefer.

Some of this could be user error as it all new - but

overall its a very nice luxury car - but need some major rework for screens and CPU upgrades. Once they get all the kinks out (just like Tesla did) it will only get much better,.

I cant see anyone being disappointed by it rather just a bit frustrated - but that is the price you pay for being an early adopter.
 

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Took delivery a few days ago:

overall a very nice lux car,

but plants of issues.

exterior door handles are an engineering mess. They dont always work and when they dont pop out people try and push them in and then they get stuck and don't open at all.
I cant open drover door anymore. Even if you know what to do the valet dont and they all push in on the hadles and they actually push in and get stuck.
key fobs show low battery warning even after chasing batteries
I cant find a way to separate what's on top screen from bottom tablet - no way to have radio above and map below
no apple car play?? and Lucas nav and Maps are horrible
no XM radio??
3-5 second delays when switching screens (ac, massage seats etc)
massage seats supposed to stay in 20 min and usually turn off after 3-5
When you first enter car the display shows battery range - once you turn it on it only shows battery percentage which is useless.
im 100 miles in and 1/3 battery is gone and I fully charged batter 100%
interior door handles are plastic and hard to open
steering wheel blocks display unless you move it all the way up
the screens are very counter intuitive and require a diff screen many diff functions.


overall its a very nice car - but need some major rework for screens and CPU upgrades.
Oh no. Sounds terrible. Maybe I should hope they don’t contact me so soon to convert my reservation to a real order.

Thanks
 

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exterior door handles are an engineering mess. They dont always work and when they dont pop out people try and push them in and then they get stuck and don't open at all.

They won't unlock unless a key fob or mobile key are nearby. So they will stay in the pushed in position until the unlock occurs.

I cant open drover door anymore. Even if you know what to do the valet dont and they all push in on the hadles and they actually push in and get stuck.

The key card has instructions on how to use the card and the display in the car after its unlocked shows where to position the card to use the card.

key fobs show low battery warning even after chasing batteries

This is fixed in an update. Make sure your car is updated to 1.0.6

I cant find a way to separate what's on top screen from bottom tablet - no way to have radio above and map below

That is how it functions now. Was an issue before, Lucid is aware of it..

no apple car play?? and Lucas nav and Maps are horrible
no XM radio??

No car play yet...XM was never advertised and people quote spoken to reps said they don't plan on adding it in. Other forums guys said they have installed their own antenna.

3-5 second delays when switching screens (ac, massage seats etc)

Never had this happen so can't comment


massage seats supposed to stay in 20 min and usually turn off after 3-5

Only had this happen one time and it occurred because I moved the seat. I think that you can't adjust or do anything while massage is going. Weird but workable.

When you first enter car the display shows battery range - once you turn it on it only shows battery percentage which is useless.

You can adjust how the units are displayed. I'm not sure if it was changed but it's under the options tab.

im 100 miles in and 1/3 battery is gone and I fully charged batter 100%

Fully charged performance with 21" wheels will give you roughly 360 miles or so. Expect to be able to get 75% of range displayed depending on driving habits

interior door handles are plastic and hard to open

Depressing the trigger once will unlock the doors, a second press is needed to actually open your door.

steering wheel blocks display unless you move it all the way up

Depends on your driving position but yes this is a slight issue. It only tends to blocks the part of the left panel, which I almost never use, and the upper corners of the blind spot display which I also never need.

the screens are very counter intuitive and require a diff screen many diff functions.

I had a completely different experience. Everything for me was straight forward and better laid out than a Tesla. What's an example of counter-intuitive?
 

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Took delivery a few days ago:

overall a very nice lux car,

but plants of issues.

exterior door handles are an engineering mess. They dont always work and when they dont pop out people try and push them in and then they get stuck and don't open at all.
I cant open drover door anymore. Even if you know what to do the valet dont and they all push in on the hadles and they actually push in and get stuck.
key fobs show low battery warning even after chasing batteries
I cant find a way to separate what's on top screen from bottom tablet - no way to have radio above and map below
no apple car play?? and Lucas nav and Maps are horrible
no XM radio??
3-5 second delays when switching screens (ac, massage seats etc)
massage seats supposed to stay in 20 min and usually turn off after 3-5
When you first enter car the display shows battery range - once you turn it on it only shows battery percentage which is useless.
im 100 miles in and 1/3 battery is gone and I fully charged batter 100%
interior door handles are plastic and hard to open
steering wheel blocks display unless you move it all the way up
the screens are very counter intuitive and require a diff screen many diff functions.


overall its a very nice car - but need some major rework for screens and CPU upgrades.
Terrific writeup. I have a Pure reserved and I am not anxious for an early arrival. I am hoping that these and other problems will be eliminated over the next year or so and I am comfortable with my PHEV 530e so waiting is not a problem. If they still have these kinds of problems, I will be asking for the refund rather than the car. But my reservation says that I think they will sort this all out.
 

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Thanks for the write up. It will be interesting as we get more viewpoints from people with different perspective and expectations. I’m reminded of watching the video reviews of various bloggers / car guys/ writers ( must have watched a dozen of these) and what struck me was 95 % of the reviews raved about the rear seat room but there was a group of three younger reviewers at the launch party and the one guy in the back ( who appeared to be average size) bitched several times about the lack of rear room. I couldn’t help but think was this guy chauffeured around in a Maybach most of his life? Anyway different perspectives and expectations for sure
 

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Took delivery a few days ago:

overall a very nice lux car,

but many early issues.

exterior door handles are an engineering mess. They dont always work and when they dont pop out people try and push them in and then they get stuck and don't open at all.
I cant open driver door anymore. Even if you know what to do the valet dont and they all push in on the hadles and they actually push in and get stuck. My handle is currently stuck pushed in.
key fobs show low battery warning even after chasing batteries
I cant find a way to separate what's on top screen from bottom tablet - no way to have radio above and map below
no apple car play?? and Lucas nav and Maps are horrible
no XM radio??
3-5 second delays when switching screens (ac, massage seats etc)
massage seats supposed to stay in 20 min and usually turn off after 3-5
When you first enter car the display shows battery range - once you turn it on it only shows battery percentage which is useless.
im 100 miles in and 1/3 battery is gone and I fully charged batter 100%
interior door handles are plastic and hard to open
the screens are very counter intuitive and require a diff screen many diff functions.


could be a lot of user error -

overall its a very nice car - but need some major rework for screens and CPU upgrades.
Congrats! What is you DE#?
 

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. . . there was a group of three younger reviewers at the launch party and the one guy in the back ( who appeared to be average size) bitched several times about the lack of rear room. I couldn’t help but think was this guy chauffeured around in a Maybach most of his life? Anyway different perspectives and expectations for sure
I am certainly not young, but I was one of the early bitchers about the Air's back seat after my first couple of visits to sit in the car at a Design Studio. I have spent a lot of time being driven in the backseats of Mercedes S-Classes and BMW 7 Series and found them to have the best rear seating positions on the planet short of a Rolls or Maybach. Having been frustrated by the cramped rear quarters of our 2015 Tesla Model S, the main reason I put in an early reservation for a Lucid Air was Lucid's constant hyping in interviews and press releases about the car having a cabin longer than either German car and passenger space to rival or beat them.

I was nothing short of shocked the first time I climbed into the rear seat of an Air and found my knees jacked up almost as much as in the Tesla (and with no space to tuck toes under the front seats), although certainly with considerably more longitudinal room. It was nothing like the cosseting and varied seating positions you can settle into in the back of the big German sedans.

My third visit was to a different Design Studio that had an Air with the smaller battery pack, and -- at last -- I found an Air with rear seating comfort to rival the Germans. Since Lucid had originally advertised a 130-kWh battery pack as their largest pack that they later reduced to 113-kWh -- and accompanied it with a barrage of graphics about their LEAP platform with the recessed rear footwells, I thought they had figured out how to provide the deep rear footwells with the largest battery pack. When it turned out the graphics were misleading, I went through another round of angst about the rear seats in the Dream Edition.

I have finally settled down about the issue, deciding that there is so much else to like about the car that I can grudgingly accept the compromise with the jacked up knees in the rear. But my primary reason for first reserving the Air -- to have an EV that was truly comfortable for day trips with four elderly passengers -- has had to give way while I keep the Honda Odyssey in service and wait either for the Lucid Gravity or the Rivian R1S (with the later-to-be-introduced 180-kWh battery pack) to hit the market.
 

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I am certainly not young, but I was one of the early bitchers about the Air's back seat after my first couple of visits to sit in the car at a Design Studio. I have spent a lot of time being driven in the backseats of Mercedes S-Classes and BMW 7 Series and found them to have the best rear seating positions on the planet short of a Rolls or Maybach. Having been frustrated by the cramped rear quarters of our 2015 Tesla Model S, the main reason I put in an early reservation for a Lucid Air was Lucid's constant hyping in interviews and press releases about the car having a cabin longer than either German car and passenger space to rival or beat them.

I was nothing short of shocked the first time I climbed into the rear seat of an Air and found my knees jacked up almost as much as in the Tesla (and with no space to tuck toes under the front seats), although certainly with considerably more longitudinal room. It was nothing like the cosseting and varied seating positions you can settle into in the back of the big German sedans.

My third visit was to a different Design Studio that had an Air with the smaller battery pack, and -- at last -- I found an Air with rear seating comfort to rival the Germans. Since Lucid had originally advertised a 130-kWh battery pack as their largest pack that they later reduced to 113-kWh -- and accompanied it with a barrage of graphics about their LEAP platform with the recessed rear footwells, I thought they had figured out how to provide the deep rear footwells with the largest battery pack. When it turned out the graphics were misleading, I went through another round of angst about the rear seats in the Dream Edition.

I have finally settled down about the issue, deciding that there is so much else to like about the car that I can grudgingly accept the compromise with the jacked up knees in the rear. But my primary reason for first reserving the Air -- to have an EV that was truly comfortable for day trips with four elderly passengers -- has had to give way while I keep the Honda Odyssey in service and wait either for the Lucid Gravity or the Rivian R1S (with the later-to-be-introduced 180-kWh battery pack) to hit the market.
I am not saying you’re incorrect by any means, since it’s personal preference, but I found the back seat absolutely massive. In fact, I was basically able to stand up in it and switch seats without even thinking about it, and then I realized I had done that and just about lost my mind.

I guess I’m just saying everyone should try it for themselves. :)
 

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I am certainly not young, but I was one of the early bitchers about the Air's back seat after my first couple of visits to sit in the car at a Design Studio. I have spent a lot of time being driven in the backseats of Mercedes S-Classes and BMW 7 Series and found them to have the best rear seating positions on the planet short of a Rolls or Maybach. Having been frustrated by the cramped rear quarters of our 2015 Tesla Model S, the main reason I put in an early reservation for a Lucid Air was Lucid's constant hyping in interviews and press releases about the car having a cabin longer than either German car and passenger space to rival or beat them.

I was nothing short of shocked the first time I climbed into the rear seat of an Air and found my knees jacked up almost as much as in the Tesla (and with no space to tuck toes under the front seats), although certainly with considerably more longitudinal room. It was nothing like the cosseting and varied seating positions you can settle into in the back of the big German sedans.

My third visit was to a different Design Studio that had an Air with the smaller battery pack, and -- at last -- I found an Air with rear seating comfort to rival the Germans. Since Lucid had originally advertised a 130-kWh battery pack as their largest pack that they later reduced to 113-kWh -- and accompanied it with a barrage of graphics about their LEAP platform with the recessed rear footwells, I thought they had figured out how to provide the deep rear footwells with the largest battery pack. When it turned out the graphics were misleading, I went through another round of angst about the rear seats in the Dream Edition.

I have finally settled down about the issue, deciding that there is so much else to like about the car that I can grudgingly accept the compromise with the jacked up knees in the rear. But my primary reason for first reserving the Air -- to have an EV that was truly comfortable for day trips with four elderly passengers -- has had to give way while I keep the Honda Odyssey in service and wait either for the Lucid Gravity or the Rivian R1S (with the later-to-be-introduced 180-kWh battery pack) to hit the market.
How tall are you?
 

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That's the irony of it. I've shrunken to 5'7". But many years (and 100 pounds) ago I was an avid runner. The price I've paid is a replaced knee, a replaced hip, and four ankle and foot surgeries with clips and staples left behind. I also played hockey and have arthritis from a herniated disc. It is hard for me to sit long periods without changing seating position often, and I'm particularly sensitive to things such as sitting with my knees jacked up.

The shallow footwells in the front of EVs aren't too much of a problem, because the slope of the firewall provides a place to rest a foot at a comfortable angle, and the seat height and backrest rake can be adjusted. It's not that the Lucid Dream backseat is uncomfortable or cramped when you first get into it. It actually feels quite roomy, based mainly on the amazing length of the cabin. But even with the loads of longitudinal room the Lucid has in the rear, the fixed seats, low seat cushions (for the aero roof line), high floorboard, and lack of toe room under the front seats makes finding different positions during a long drive a bit dodgy.

The rear floorboard with the larger battery pack is 3.15" higher than with the smaller pack. That makes a lot of difference in leg position as well as creates a space under the front seat that allows you to stretch your legs even further forward to reduce the knee angle.
 

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That's the irony of it. I've shrunken to 5'7". But many years (and 100 pounds) ago I was an avid runner. The price I've paid is a replaced knee, a replaced hip, and four ankle and foot surgeries with clips and staples left behind. I also played hockey and have arthritis from a herniated disc. It is hard for me to sit long periods without changing seating position often, and I'm particularly sensitive to things such as sitting with my knees jacked up.

The shallow footwells in the front of EVs aren't too much of a problem, because the slope of the firewall provides a place to rest a foot at a comfortable angle, and the seat height and backrest rake can be adjusted. It's not that the Lucid Dream backseat is uncomfortable or cramped when you first get into it. It actually feels quite roomy, based mainly on the amazing length of the cabin. But even with the loads of longitudinal room the Lucid has in the rear, the fixed seats, low seat cushions (for the aero roof line), high floorboard, and lack of toe room under the front seats makes finding different positions during a long drive a bit dodgy.

The rear floorboard with the larger battery pack is 3.15" higher than with the smaller pack. That makes a lot of difference in leg position as well as creates a space under the front seat that allows you to stretch your legs even further forward to reduce the knee angle.
The real question is How often do you expect to ride in the back of your own car? For me it’s an academic exercise as the only time I’ve ever sat in the back of dozens of cars I’ve owned over the last 45 years is to clean and polish. If you have passengers that you are concerned about it would seem that the back is fine for 95% of the people out there going by reviews and my own experience sitting in one. As I have noted in this thread there are different expectations and perceptions from the general population so this car can’t work for everyone. Almost no car can do this as there are trade offs for nearly every aspect dealing with comfort and drive ability. Perhaps a Rivian or the eventual Lucid Gravity might work better if your really set on a modern EV? Even the lucid touring with a bit lower range but the deeper footwells in back might be more practical for your situation if you expect to ride in the back. My 2 cents
 

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The real question is How often do you expect to ride in the back of your own car?
Being short, if I'm not the one driving, I've always made it a practice to relinquish the front seat to taller friends if we're taking a group somewhere. It's one of the reasons I've enjoyed the Honda Odyssey and some big German sedans so much.

I find that I can't do this when we we pick up friends in our Tesla Model S, as I find it too damned difficult to get into and out of the back of the thing. So we use the Tesla only for short hops to restaurants. For any longer trip with friends, we switch to the minivan. What I've decided to do with the Lucid is just tell friends who are taller but don't have joint issues that I won't be giving them the front seat. The Lucid back seat is certainly roomy enough for me to avoid the guilt engendered by keeping the front seat for myself.

(The reason we're always doing the driving is that we live a good way out of town, so it's always easier for us to pick up people on the way in than for them to drive way out to pick us up.)
 

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You are comparing a full sized car to a mid sized car. Just as I thought the comparison to the new Merc is wrong because the Merc is full sized, so it is comparing apples to oranges when comparing the seating room in a mid sized car to a full sized car.
 

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You are comparing a full sized car to a mid sized car. Just as I thought the comparison to the new Merc is wrong because the Merc is full sized, so it is comparing apples to oranges when comparing the seating room in a mid sized car to a full sized car.
It was Lucid, not I, that first invited the comparison of Lucid's interior space to that of a full-sized German sedan. The chart is still on their website which shows the length from the firewall to the rear seat of a long-wheelbase Mercedes S Class and a BMW 7 Series. And in interviews Rawlinson and Jenkins have repeatedly said that the Air compares favorably to large luxury sedans on interior space and comfort. Lucid's whole "space concept" advertising campaign is that Lucid fits the interior of a full-sized sedan into the exterior of a mid-sized sedan.

So, yeah, I'm comparing a full-sized car's interior to the Lucid's.
 

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You are comparing a full sized car to a mid sized car. Just as I thought the comparison to the new Merc is wrong because the Merc is full sized, so it is comparing apples to oranges when comparing the seating room in a mid sized car to a full sized car.
It is a valid comparison for the EQS. That car is 10 inches longer and has 2 inches less interior space.

When we met Peter in Millbrae we spoke a bit about comparison of the two cars and he was very proud of that fact.
Interesting note: he gushed about how awesome the EV tech in the Porsche Taycan/Audi GT was, but had not a single compliment for the EQS.
 

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It is a valid comparison for the EQS. That car is 10 inches longer and has 2 inches less interior space.
Several reviewers have found that the EQS back seat is less comfortable than the Air's, having the same jacked-up knee position and even having less rear headroom despite the car's being over 3" taller.


. . . but had not a single compliment for the EQS.
No reason he should have. In my view, the EQS is just a hot mess from the exterior styling to the casino interior to the ridiculous waste of space from poor drivetrain component packaging.
 

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Took delivery a few days ago:

overall a very nice lux car,

but many early issues.

exterior door handles are an engineering mess. They dont always work and when they dont pop out people try and push them in and then they get stuck and don't open at all.
I cant open driver door anymore. Even if you know what to do the valet dont and they all push in on the hadles and they actually push in and get stuck. My handle is currently stuck pushed in.
key fobs show low battery warning even after chasing batteries
I cant find a way to separate what's on top screen from bottom tablet - no way to have radio above and map below
no apple car play?? and Lucas nav and Maps are horrible
no XM radio??
3-5 second delays when switching screens (ac, massage seats etc)
massage seats supposed to stay in 20 min and usually turn off after 3-5
When you first enter car the display shows battery range - once you turn it on it only shows battery percentage which is useless.
im 100 miles in and 1/3 battery is gone and I fully charged batter 100%
interior door handles are plastic and hard to open
the screens are very counter intuitive and require a diff screen many diff functions.


could be a lot of user error -

overall its a very nice car - but need some major rework for screens and CPU upgrades.
You are such a liar. LCID short? lol. What’s your vin number and your SA?
 

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You are such a liar. LCID short? lol. What’s your vin number and your SA?
Your post sounds just like one of the toxic Tesla fans. Let's agree not be that way. If someone thinks they have a problem through either a flaw or a misunderstanding we should listen and take it seriously. If someone comes here as an obvious troll I assume our moderators will take care of it. Either way let's keep it civil.
 

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Your post sounds just like one of the toxic Tesla fans. Let's agree not be that way.
This forum has managed to go an unusually long time and handle a lot of disagreement about the Lucid Air without posters becoming rude and juvenile. I hope Ethankeiley's post is not a sign that civility is now breaking down here and that the Tesla cult mentality has arrived. It it continues in this direction, I join you in hoping the moderator will intervene.
 
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