[LucidPhoenix]

Hi Members, I need your advice!

My situation:

1. I have a reservation for a Lucid Air Touring and have to finalize the specs in 2 weeks. I also have a reservation for a Tesla Model S Long Range, they just assigned my VIN, so I have about 1-2 weeks to decide on it. Otherwise, I forfeit the car at a $5000 lower price (I reserved it before the price increase). I plan to either choose the Lucid or the Tesla.

2. I presently live in an apartment in Central Phoenix with no charging port. I plan to purchase a house in the next year when the inflated house prices go down. That means I'll have to rely on the very few Electrify America chargers in the city for power.

3. I just test drove the Lucid and the Tesla S, I loved the Lucid, it just seems more advanced in terms of drive quality and technology inside the cabin. Plus I prefer the exterior esthetics over the Tesla.

The other night I watched a YouTube video by Kyle with Out of Spec Motoring on a road trip from Palm Springs to Colorado. Basically, the road trip in the Lucid was stressful because the Electrify America Charging network was horrendous. A lot of the times the charge station was malfunctioning and the driver spent so much time sitting and wasting time. At one charge station, he probably would have been towed if he didn't have any connections with the EA engineers.
Most of the commenters were saying that's exactly why they won't get the Lucid, too much of a headache with EA. They said charging is rarely an issue with Tesla, their Superchargers just work.

Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home.

Other questions:

1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat)
I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat.

2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System?

3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro?

4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles)

Any and all advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

 

[steveinarizona]

At the moment there are very few EA chargers in greater Phoenix and there are lots of Tesla charging sites. If you were already in a private home, where you could charge every night, I would recommend going to the Lucid. My view is that the S is like the new Toyota GR Corolla or the Hyundai Elantra N: a speedy vehicle in a sparse space.

You need to decide what will work for you.

As for your questions: I have a Pure on order and I want the metal roof (I think it will be cooler, the car will handle better and it looks a lot better). I will probably get the DD Pro if only for the 360 view. Either stereo is okay with me. I have no idea about Quartzite but I hope it works there as there is nothing else there (in the words of Gertrude Stein: "There is no there there").

 

[Greg Haller]

Hi Members, I need your advice!

My situation:

1. I have a reservation for a Lucid Air Touring and have to finalize the specs in 2 weeks. I also have a reservation for a Tesla Model S Long Range, they just assigned my VIN, so I have about 1-2 weeks to decide on it. Otherwise, I forfeit the car at a $5000 lower price (I reserved it before the price increase). I plan to either choose the Lucid or the Tesla.

2. I presently live in an apartment in Central Phoenix with no charging port. I plan to purchase a house in the next year when the inflated house prices go down. That means I'll have to rely on the very few Electrify America chargers in the city for power.

3. I just test drove the Lucid and the Tesla S, I loved the Lucid, it just seems more advanced in terms of drive quality and technology inside the cabin. Plus I prefer the exterior esthetics over the Tesla.

The other night I watched a YouTube video by Kyle with Out of Spec Motoring on a road trip from Palm Springs to Colorado. Basically, the road trip in the Lucid was stressful because the Electrify America Charging network was horrendous. A lot of the times the charge station was malfunctioning and the driver spent so much time sitting and wasting time. At one charge station, he probably would have been towed if he didn't have any connections with the EA engineers.
Most of the commenters were saying that's exactly why they won't get the Lucid, too much of a headache with EA. They said charging is rarely an issue with Tesla, their Superchargers just work.

Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home.

Other questions:

1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat)
I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat.

2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System?

3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro?

4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles)

Any and all advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

Having owned both...Model S. Everyday

 

[mrgaryc16]

Lucid advised me that to get the $7500 tax credit I MUST get the vehicle by 12-31-22. In order to do that I MUST get the nicer stereo and full dream drive pro. I didn’t want the DDpro but figured the $9k option was a good deal after taking $7500 tax credit. If you can get the Lucid by 12-31, I definitely would. Otherwise it’s more of a toss up. The charging issue is improving every day.

 

[cwang089]

for 7500 tax credit I don't think you have to get it by YE. Check with your CPA and not the sales that are trying to push you to buy the car.

In terms of resale and if Tesla AP is any indication, it's resale value is almost nothing

 

[npatel]

If you plan on keeping the lucid for many years the charging station issues should improve. In terms of tesla vs Lucid, the Lucid has gotten better reviews and Elon Musk is too distracted these days with fixing Twitter.

 

[babwine]

Hi Members, I need your advice!

My situation:

1. I have a reservation for a Lucid Air Touring and have to finalize the specs in 2 weeks. I also have a reservation for a Tesla Model S Long Range, they just assigned my VIN, so I have about 1-2 weeks to decide on it. Otherwise, I forfeit the car at a $5000 lower price (I reserved it before the price increase). I plan to either choose the Lucid or the Tesla.

2. I presently live in an apartment in Central Phoenix with no charging port. I plan to purchase a house in the next year when the inflated house prices go down. That means I'll have to rely on the very few Electrify America chargers in the city for power.

3. I just test drove the Lucid and the Tesla S, I loved the Lucid, it just seems more advanced in terms of drive quality and technology inside the cabin. Plus I prefer the exterior esthetics over the Tesla.

The other night I watched a YouTube video by Kyle with Out of Spec Motoring on a road trip from Palm Springs to Colorado. Basically, the road trip in the Lucid was stressful because the Electrify America Charging network was horrendous. A lot of the times the charge station was malfunctioning and the driver spent so much time sitting and wasting time. At one charge station, he probably would have been towed if he didn't have any connections with the EA engineers.
Most of the commenters were saying that's exactly why they won't get the Lucid, too much of a headache with EA. They said charging is rarely an issue with Tesla, their Superchargers just work.

Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home.

Other questions:

1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat)
I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat.

2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System?

3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro?

4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles)

Any and all advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

The LUCID is a better driving, looking and exciting car than the Tesla. For me, the only real similarity is both are electric vehicles. As for tyhe EA problems, YES, EA has issues, but you can find out in advance about the charging stations that have problems and other than saving a few bucks, you can always charge at other company's systems on your route. Lots of Apps help you plan your trip. As to your specific questions:
1. I live in Florida and so far haven't had an issue with the glass roof.. That's a tough cal for you in Phonix. I'd wait to see if you get local feedback. That said, having the glass roof is awesome while inside.
2. Definitely go for upgrade sound system. you'll love the sound especially if you go for TIDAL
3. Definitely get Dream Drive Pro .... it's just in its infancy now but is still very good and via future OTA's will only improve and offer better experiences.

 

[dsherris]

Hi Members, I need your advice!

My situation:

1. I have a reservation for a Lucid Air Touring and have to finalize the specs in 2 weeks. I also have a reservation for a Tesla Model S Long Range, they just assigned my VIN, so I have about 1-2 weeks to decide on it. Otherwise, I forfeit the car at a $5000 lower price (I reserved it before the price increase). I plan to either choose the Lucid or the Tesla.

2. I presently live in an apartment in Central Phoenix with no charging port. I plan to purchase a house in the next year when the inflated house prices go down. That means I'll have to rely on the very few Electrify America chargers in the city for power.

3. I just test drove the Lucid and the Tesla S, I loved the Lucid, it just seems more advanced in terms of drive quality and technology inside the cabin. Plus I prefer the exterior esthetics over the Tesla.

The other night I watched a YouTube video by Kyle with Out of Spec Motoring on a road trip from Palm Springs to Colorado. Basically, the road trip in the Lucid was stressful because the Electrify America Charging network was horrendous. A lot of the times the charge station was malfunctioning and the driver spent so much time sitting and wasting time. At one charge station, he probably would have been towed if he didn't have any connections with the EA engineers.
Most of the commenters were saying that's exactly why they won't get the Lucid, too much of a headache with EA. They said charging is rarely an issue with Tesla, their Superchargers just work.

Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home.

Other questions:

1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat)
I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat.

2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System?

3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro?

4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles)

Any and all advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

Buy the Lucid

 

[cwang089]

Looks are subjective but in California Lucid is quickly becoming the Buick of EVs in their customer demographics.
I’m interested in it for its space and affordability and efficiency.
Looks, trunk space, charging network, lack of highway lane keep is turning me off though

 

[dsherris]

Lucid drives very well and does have lots of bells and whistles. They are still working out software details but are making headway. Still recommend Lucid.

 

[M2AX]

I was an early Tesla owner in 2011 and owned a couple up until this fall when I switched to Lucid. Elon did a lot for this industry no question but I do not like the poor quality and substandard designs of of the last few years. Tesla cars a great drive but not for me anymore. Love the Lucid; it has been a big adjustment and a bit getting used to but clearly the better engineering and design of the two. For charging there are many other stations than the EA but of longer charging time of course but good in a pinch. In 2011 I had to run a three prong extension in Maine just to get 25 miles over the course of a day just to get to a dealership charger. So that's ancient history; now everything seems so much easier. Lucid software has greatly improved over the last few months and will catch up the Tesla and pass it soon enough. Love the Surround Sound and DreamDrive but that's a $ call to each driver. Good luck!

 

[calimrxxx]

Hi Members, I need your advice! My situation: 1. I have a reservation for a Lucid Air Touring and have to finalize the specs in 2 weeks. I also have a reservation for a Tesla Model S Long Range, they just assigned my VIN, so I have about 1-2 weeks to decide on it. Otherwise, I forfeit the car at a $5000 lower price (I reserved it before the price increase). I plan to either choose the Lucid or the Tesla. 2. I presently live in an apartment in Central Phoenix with no charging port. I plan to purchase a house in the next year when the inflated house prices go down. That means I'll have to rely on the very few Electrify America chargers in the city for power. 3. I just test drove the Lucid and the Tesla S, I loved the Lucid, it just seems more advanced in terms of drive quality and technology inside the cabin. Plus I prefer the exterior esthetics over the Tesla. The other night I watched a YouTube video by Kyle with Out of Spec Motoring on a road trip from Palm Springs to Colorado. Basically, the road trip in the Lucid was stressful because the Electrify America Charging network was horrendous. A lot of the times the charge station was malfunctioning and the driver spent so much time sitting and wasting time. At one charge station, he probably would have been towed if he didn't have any connections with the EA engineers. Most of the commenters were saying that's exactly why they won't get the Lucid, too much of a headache with EA. They said charging is rarely an issue with Tesla, their Superchargers just work. Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home. Other questions: 1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat) I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat. 2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System? 3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro? 4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles) Any and all advice would be appreciated!! Thanks!

Good morning, lets go to the point!!!! the question what is your purpose to Lucid or Tesla for? Technology alway getting old after 1-2 years, after you paid extra $10k. you want get the vehicle able to charge every where when you need it right away. Remember you dont want to own the vehicle and getting stress before your trips began. I do like Lucid because the vehicle not alots on the street and people see it they want to see what inside. But remember you Are the one paying the bills Every monthly. The question you pay the technology“ like light inside the cabin, extra 100 miles and suround camera“ that all Lucid offe! issue is Lucid you may have trouble to find charging stations in the future due to share with other different car maker. Like other used same charger adapte. not like tesla, dont share. my point you may have issue later to find the charging station.

 

[Daniel2022]

The Lucid is vastly superior from a driving experience standpoint. The "yoke" on the Tesla S is nothing short of ridiculous especially on long trips.

The EA charger issue is a real concern. But that is a short-term problem which will be remedied over the next few years. There are many other chargers besides EA.

I love the glass canopy roof and it is a hallmark of the Lucid Air design concept. But I don't live in Phoenix or 110 degrees. To me, it just isn't an Air without it.

I don't care much about the upgraded audio system (it was a disappointment on my test drive), and I care not at all about DD Pro.

Good luck.

 

[rich5354]

Hi Members, I need your advice!

My situation:

1. I have a reservation for a Lucid Air Touring and have to finalize the specs in 2 weeks. I also have a reservation for a Tesla Model S Long Range, they just assigned my VIN, so I have about 1-2 weeks to decide on it. Otherwise, I forfeit the car at a $5000 lower price (I reserved it before the price increase). I plan to either choose the Lucid or the Tesla.

2. I presently live in an apartment in Central Phoenix with no charging port. I plan to purchase a house in the next year when the inflated house prices go down. That means I'll have to rely on the very few Electrify America chargers in the city for power.

3. I just test drove the Lucid and the Tesla S, I loved the Lucid, it just seems more advanced in terms of drive quality and technology inside the cabin. Plus I prefer the exterior esthetics over the Tesla.

The other night I watched a YouTube video by Kyle with Out of Spec Motoring on a road trip from Palm Springs to Colorado. Basically, the road trip in the Lucid was stressful because the Electrify America Charging network was horrendous. A lot of the times the charge station was malfunctioning and the driver spent so much time sitting and wasting time. At one charge station, he probably would have been towed if he didn't have any connections with the EA engineers.
Most of the commenters were saying that's exactly why they won't get the Lucid, too much of a headache with EA. They said charging is rarely an issue with Tesla, their Superchargers just work.

Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home.

Other questions:

1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat)
I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat.

2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System?

3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro?

4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles)

Any and all advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

I had previously owned a 2012, 2017 and then a 2020 Tesla Model S - and thought I would never switch. Then, I started reading about the Lucid Air GT, and placed my order. I took delivery in June, and love the car. It drives better than any TESLA, is more comfortable, quieter, and works well. The s/w was TERRIBLE at first, but continues to improve. The DD-Pro has gotten so much better, especially now that the Highway Assist has been activated, which gives full lane assist (holds in the center of the lane). It is still not as good as Tesla's Enhanced Auto Pilot or FSD, but is definitely moving in the right direction. I expect on-ramp to off-ramp DD-Pro to be working in the next few months. Small things like having favorites in Navigation are still not there, but that too will be added, as will Apple CarPlay.

 

[calimrxxx]

Another advice, you can go rents for weekend drive or long trips do a comparison between both vehicle. I bet you after 2hr drive you need to stop vehicle and go restroom. That what Tesla all about, after 2 hr you may need charged While you go restroom. I already done 1800 miles trips 1 way. I learn alots the different this is my advice.

 

[Doug]

Hi Members, I need your advice!

My situation:

1. I have a reservation for a Lucid Air Touring and have to finalize the specs in 2 weeks. I also have a reservation for a Tesla Model S Long Range, they just assigned my VIN, so I have about 1-2 weeks to decide on it. Otherwise, I forfeit the car at a $5000 lower price (I reserved it before the price increase). I plan to either choose the Lucid or the Tesla.

2. I presently live in an apartment in Central Phoenix with no charging port. I plan to purchase a house in the next year when the inflated house prices go down. That means I'll have to rely on the very few Electrify America chargers in the city for power.

3. I just test drove the Lucid and the Tesla S, I loved the Lucid, it just seems more advanced in terms of drive quality and technology inside the cabin. Plus I prefer the exterior esthetics over the Tesla.

The other night I watched a YouTube video by Kyle with Out of Spec Motoring on a road trip from Palm Springs to Colorado. Basically, the road trip in the Lucid was stressful because the Electrify America Charging network was horrendous. A lot of the times the charge station was malfunctioning and the driver spent so much time sitting and wasting time. At one charge station, he probably would have been towed if he didn't have any connections with the EA engineers.
Most of the commenters were saying that's exactly why they won't get the Lucid, too much of a headache with EA. They said charging is rarely an issue with Tesla, their Superchargers just work.

Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home.

Other questions:

1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat)
I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat.

2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System?

3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro?

4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles)

Any and all advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

There is no reason to get into a hot Lucid. Before you get in turn the air on via your Lucid App.

 

[rich5354]

The Lucid is vastly superior from a driving experience standpoint. The "yoke" on the Tesla S is nothing short of ridiculous especially on long trips.

The EA charger issue is a real concern. But that is a short-term problem which will be remedied over the next few years. There are many other chargers besides EA.

I love the glass canopy roof and it is a hallmark of the Lucid Air design concept. But I don't live in Phoenix or 110 degrees. To me, it just isn't an Air without it.

I don't care much about the upgraded audio system (it was a disappointment on my test drive), and I care not at all about DD Pro.

Good luck.

As for the Electrify America Issue - it is currently terrible. I do recall early days of Tesla's Supercharger network being bad also. Planning a trip used to be an adventure (think of 100 years ago when early adopters of the automobile didn't have gas stations on every street corner, and thats what it was like). Tesla's investment in the network paid off, and the Supercharger network is outstanding. I believe that between EA, ChargePoint, and others, the day will come when we won't have to worry about finding chargers. But today, that day is not yet here. So, you may have to pay other providers, instead of always using the free EA when on a road trip, until they all get their act together. On a recent trip from San Diego to Lake Tahoe, we had poor service from EA, and did have to use ChargePoint twice. It wasn't a big deal, but it did happen. But, if that is a short term big deal for you, you should know the issue is real. EA is owned by large companies, including VW and Siemens, so I have some degree of confidence that time will fix the issues.

As for the glass roof, we live in So. CA, and often visit the desert. We have not found the glass roof on either the Tesla or the LUCID to be an issue, and the solar load is not a big deal for the AC to deal with, so if you like the glass roof, I wouldn't hesitate to get it.

The audio system is amazing, and cannot compare the standard system to the upgraded one (which is standard on the GT), so can't help on this one.

One other comment, which no one has addressed for you. All EV's (Lucid, Tesla, etc.) give a rated mileage. Lucid gives a stated mileage range of about 4.2 miles per Kwh on the Lucid Air, which on a GT with 21" wheels equates to about 467 mile range. If you look through the forums, you'll see many posts where owners cannot get the 4.2 miles per Kwh, I have tried hard to achieve this on long trips in ideal conditions, and the best I have done is about 3.4 miles per Kwh. Granted, this is still much better than any Tesla I have owned, but not the stated range. Lucid Service is still looking into this for me, but I am not alone on this. So there is a "real world" range and a published range, which you should know about for any EV you decide to get. The Model S Long Range is stated to get 404 mile range. On a real road trip, from my experience, your probably looking at around 300 mile range. So, I thought I would add this to your decision making.

Hope these comments help, and that you pick the Lucid - which you should love!

 

[ericatdss]

I'm not sure I'd be so concerned about EA's network - there are other options in Phoenix. And, it appears Tesla will be opening up their chargers to third parties. Use an app like Plugshare and you'll see tons of stations in the Phoenix and surrounding area.

 

[Mata Hari]

About charging... once you have a charger it home, it will be a non issue - ESP if you have solar.

Also, Tesla is opening up the chargers to non-Tesla cars. It will cost you but they are available. Will you really need them? (How much do you drive?)

Clearly you want the Lucid. So unless you are driving 300+ miles every week, why even ask? These cars have terrific range, and charging issues will only be apparent on long haul trips or if you re driving a huge amount ever week. (And... if you are driving this much you will quickly figure out what works best.)

I have a Tesla, but am not a fan, mostly because of wildly erratic customer service. I have supercharging for life and am starting to get a little cold feet in giving this up... but depending on my resale quotes will probably do so.

Just my $.02
Driving Tesla Model X LR
Ordered Lucid GTA 11/21
Order finalized 11/22

Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home.

Other questions:

1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat)
I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat.

2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System?

3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro?

4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles)

Any and all advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

 

[Air Head]

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Hi Members, I need your advice!

My situation:

1. I have a reservation for a Lucid Air Touring and have to finalize the specs in 2 weeks. I also have a reservation for a Tesla Model S Long Range, they just assigned my VIN, so I have about 1-2 weeks to decide on it. Otherwise, I forfeit the car at a $5000 lower price (I reserved it before the price increase). I plan to either choose the Lucid or the Tesla.

2. I presently live in an apartment in Central Phoenix with no charging port. I plan to purchase a house in the next year when the inflated house prices go down. That means I'll have to rely on the very few Electrify America chargers in the city for power.

3. I just test drove the Lucid and the Tesla S, I loved the Lucid, it just seems more advanced in terms of drive quality and technology inside the cabin. Plus I prefer the exterior esthetics over the Tesla.

The other night I watched a YouTube video by Kyle with Out of Spec Motoring on a road trip from Palm Springs to Colorado. Basically, the road trip in the Lucid was stressful because the Electrify America Charging network was horrendous. A lot of the times the charge station was malfunctioning and the driver spent so much time sitting and wasting time. At one charge station, he probably would have been towed if he didn't have any connections with the EA engineers.
Most of the commenters were saying that's exactly why they won't get the Lucid, too much of a headache with EA. They said charging is rarely an issue with Tesla, their Superchargers just work.

Would you still go ahead and purchase the Lucid in my situation? It seems like it's going to be a real headache, especially given that I don't have my own charging station at home.

Other questions:

1. Would you get the glass or metal roof in Phoenix? (110+ degree summer heat)
I'm leaning toward the metal roof due to the obvious heat.

2. Would you get the ($2900 upgrade) 21 speaker Surreal Surround Sound System?

3. Would you get ($9000) DreamDrive Pro?

4. Anyone know of the reliability of the EA charge station in Quartzite? (Between Phoenix and Los Angeles)

Any and all advice would be appreciated!!

Thanks!

I agree with @npatel I think if you're going for long term ownership go with the Air and when you get your home you'll be set. As for EA, are there other charging stations in the Phoenix area Like ChargePoint or EVGO? Or is it only EA chargers?