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Dream Drive Is a joke

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Tomcrown

Discussion Starter · 5 mo ago

I just got the Lucid and I am very disappointed in the software. The lane keep assistant keeps trying to push me off the road. The drivers attention is a joke if I look down it thinks I am watching the road. If I look ahead it screams to watch the road. Why is the camera behind the steering wheel not by the rear visor??
Lastly why can’t Lucid auto open and close the garage door??

I truly hope these short comings will be fixed through software updates.

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vhillmd

· #2 · 5 mo ago

Tomcrown, welcome to the world of Lucid Air Beta testers. Got my Air GT 4 months ago. Love the car, except for the EA charging stations and .....yes the schizophrenic software. Especially lane assist when not in Dream Drive mode ! My recommendation is to turn off the lane assist off. You will be happier with car. With the latest Dream Drive update, the lane assist feature is less intrusive in Dream Drive mode than when not using Dream Drive ( i.e. regular driving mode).

Each software update has brought improvements, but it's going to take time. A friend of mine was one of the early Tesla Model S purchasers and I remember the nightmare complaints and hour discussions he had with Tesla service techs 9 years ago. I am confident Lucid will, in time, get this sorted out. Patience is needed. I recommend limiting multiple infotainment activates in your Lucid at one time. I would not stream music off your cell using Bluetooth while using the navigation or use the new beta form of Sirius satellite radio and navigation. These seem be complex actives that the software has difficulty managing.

vhillmd

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cwang089

· #3 · 5 mo ago

vhillmd said:
Tomcrown, welcome to the world of Lucid Air Beta testers. Got my Air GT 4 months ago. Love the car, except for the EA charging stations and .....yes the schizophrenic software. Especially lane assist when not in Dream Drive mode ! My recommendation is to turn off the lane assist off. You will be happier with car. With the latest Dream Drive update, the lane assist feature is less intrusive in Dream Drive mode than when not using Dream Drive ( i.e. regular driving mode).

Each software update has brought improvements, but it's going to take time. A friend of mine was one of the early Tesla Model S purchasers and I remember the nightmare complaints and hour discussions he had with Tesla service techs 9 years ago. I am confident Lucid will, in time, get this sorted out. Patience is needed. I recommend limiting multiple infotainment activates in your Lucid at one time. I would not stream music off your cell using Bluetooth while using the navigation or use the new beta form of Sirius satellite radio and navigation. These seem be complex actives that the software has difficulty managing.

vhillmd

autopilot wasnt eve out 9 years ago. My model X in 2016 had autopilot and it was already better than Dream Drive. It is ridiculous that Lucid is forcing Pure buyers to order Dream Drive Pro to get basic lane keep. It is so far from FSD like they are knowingly asking you to pay for vaporware. Reeks of desperation

vhillmd

· #4 · 5 mo ago

I am trying to compare apples with apples. I believe 2013 was the intro year of the Model S. It had many software issues that were corrected and improved by 2016. The Air was released in 2021 and like the Model S, has received continued software updates ( got one today). Unless the Lucid software engineers are completely incompetent (many come from Tesla) which I don't think they are, I believe that by 2025 ( maybe before), the Lucid software well be greatly improved, similar to the Tesla.

I can not speak to the marketing of Dream Drive for Air Touring's and above. You know that most car companies will bundle the advance features which are very profitable, except Porsche which you can order "a la-carte", which is very expensive for the customer. Not sure what "FSD" means, but YES, start-up's are always desperate when they have no positive cash flow. Lucid, like Tesla will take years to be profitable. I have noticed changes in my Air's functionality with most updates, so I am confident that I will get what I am paying for.

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Tomcrown

Discussion Starter · #5 · 5 mo ago

FSD stand for Full Self Driving. I do know that Lucid hired the head of Apple car software development. I hope with his directions we will see great advancement in Software

Crdgk

· #6 · 5 mo ago

Tomcrown said:
I just got the Lucid and I am very disappointed in the software. The lane keep assistant keeps trying to push me off the road. The drivers attention is a joke if I look down it thinks I am watching the road. If I look ahead it screams to watch the road. Why is the camera behind the steering wheel not by the rear visor??
Lastly why can’t Lucid auto open and close the garage door??
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Have had a GTA for 8mos now. Dramatic improvements. I turned off drivers attention. Lane assist works for me. couple of times with attention elsewhere it saved me and my car. You have something wrong or not set up right for garage door issue. Mine does 2 garage doors just fine especially after 2.0 updates. Call your support for help with garage.

Tomcrown

Discussion Starter · #7 · 5 mo ago

Garage door works fine. What I was talking about was a feature the Tesla model S had. When your about 50 feet from the garage the car will automatically send the signal to open the garage door. The same is true when you leave it will automatically close the garage door. The only time you have to push the icon to open the garage door is when you leave.
Cars at this price point has the feature. I wish Lucid would.

vhillmd

· #8 · 5 mo ago

Patience my friend, patience. Still a start-up company.

yellowchevy66

· #9 · 5 mo ago

Tomcrown said:
Garage door works fine. What I was talking about was a feature the Tesla model S had. When your about 50 feet from the garage the car will automatically send the signal to open the garage door. The same is true when you leave it will automatically close the garage door. The only time you have to push the icon to open the garage door is when you leave.
Cars at this price point has the feature. I wish Lucid would.

if you use your garage door opener, you can have a "digital Homelink" in the car which will drop down on a menu as u approach your car, but for me it drops down too late, so I still use my opener that I have clipped to my sunvisor. Hopefully will automatically do like the tesla does, I wish the software updates would have more options for the car, I really do not care about satellite radio, I would like the lidar to be activated

yellowchevy66

· #10 · 5 mo ago

yellowchevy66 said:
if you use your garage door opener, you can have a "digital Homelink" in the car which will drop down on a menu as u approach your car, but for me it drops down too late, so I still use my opener that I have clipped to my sunvisor. Hopefully will automatically do like the tesla does, I wish the software updates would have more options for the car, I really do not care about satellite radio, I would like the lidar to be activated

i meant as you approach your garage, sorry

SteveP

· #11 · 5 mo ago

yellowchevy66 said:
i meant as you approach your garage, sorry

I loved the Tesla auto open and auto close for the garage door. It’s something most everyone uses at least twice a day, leaving and returning home. I really liked the Tesla auto close. Right now on my GT must hit the homelink button, then hit my garage door button, all while leaving the driveway, checking grandkids seatbelts and watching for cross traffic. I know programming and this is 3rd grade level stuff and it would make many lives a little better. Come on Lucid, help us early adopters out here. Thanks for reading my rant…

o.barbu.dds

· #12 · 5 mo ago

Lucid, the US is full of car hijackers.
Why can't I disable the automatic door opening when I get close to the car and have the remote with me?
Why can't I just open ONE dor instead of all? Just by pressing the remote?
Why can't I have a pin code, so if someone snatches my remote, they cannot run away with the car???
learn from Musk, Lucid, learn.

The car looks stunning. It is a beautiful toy and everybody stares at it. I did not want all that attention. I wanted safety features. But if I drive from Atlanta to Miami, for example, I will use my Tesla and charge it every 200 miles. I feel a lot safer in my Tesla.

I own both Model S will navigate on autopilot -not FSD, and Lucid Touring.
Lucid driver assistance is a JOKE. Lucid, have you seen the auto lane change, and how tesla owners can see ALL the cars around them, in all the lanes, even from opposing traffic, on the display? Yes, you have the sensors, I can only hope the FSD will come within a year or two, and it will be as good as Tesla.

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Crdgk

· #13 · 5 mo ago

o.barbu.dds said:
Lucid, the US is full of car hijackers.
Why can't I disable the automatic door opening when I get close to the car and have the remote with me?
Why can't I just open ONE dor instead of all? Just by pressing the remote?
Why can't I have a pin code, so if someone snatches my remote, they cannot run away with the car???
learn from Musk, Lucid, learn.

The car looks stunning. It is a beautiful toy and everybody stares at it. I did not want all that attention. I wanted safety features. But if I drive from Atlanta to Miami, for example, I will use my Tesla and charge it every 200 miles. I feel a lot safer in my Tesla.

I own both Model S will navigate on autopilot -not FSD, and Lucid Touring.
Lucid driver assistance is a JOKE. Lucid, have you seen the auto lane change, and how tesla owners can see ALL the cars around them, in all the lanes, even from opposing traffic, on the display? Yes, you have the sensors, I can only hope the FSD will come within a year or two, and it will be as good as Tesla.

Car is not a joke. Silly statement. There is a tension between what everyone wants. I have a Tesla M3 and personally like what Lucid did. If you don't want all the fancy opening stuff, just deactivate your remote from the car and use the valet card. Voila, one door and only when you touch door post. And it requires a PIN. I think that is a pain but that is personal choice. There were a HUGE number of complaints when the car did work the way you want early on as far as not opening doors from a distance. And I DEFINITELY don't want a PIN attached to my remote (though I use my phone mostly). What a pain. The Tesla M3 does not require a pin with remote either; steal it and you own the car. Don't get me started on Tesla autopilot. Just read the news or watch multiple YouTube videos. Tried auto lane change once and never again. And my friend's Tesla MS FSD tried to take us over a guard rail on the interstate for no clear reason.....

o.barbu.dds

· #14 · 5 mo ago

Crdgk said:
Car is not a joke. Silly statement. There is a tension between what everyone wants. I have a Tesla M3 and personally like what Lucid did. If you don't want all the fancy opening stuff, just deactivate your remote from the car and use the valet card. Voila, one door and only when you touch door post. And it requires a PIN. I think that is a pain but that is personal choice. There were a HUGE number of complaints when the car did work the way you want early on as far as not opening doors from a distance. And I DEFINITELY don't want a PIN attached to my remote (though I use my phone mostly). What a pain. The Tesla M3 does not require a pin with remote either; steal it and you own the car. Don't get me started on Tesla autopilot. Just read the news or watch multiple YouTube videos. Tried auto lane change once and never again. And my friend's Tesla MS FSD tried to take us over a guard rail on the interstate for no clear reason.....

Crdgk said:
Car is not a joke. Silly statement. There is a tension between what everyone wants. I have a Tesla M3 and personally like what Lucid did. If you don't want all the fancy opening stuff, just deactivate your remote from the car and use the valet card. Voila, one door and only when you touch door post. And it requires a PIN. I think that is a pain but that is personal choice. There were a HUGE number of complaints when the car did work the way you want early on as far as not opening doors from a distance. And I DEFINITELY don't want a PIN attached to my remote (though I use my phone mostly). What a pain. The Tesla M3 does not require a pin with remote either; steal it and you own the car. Don't get me started on Tesla autopilot. Just read the news or watch multiple YouTube videos. Tried auto lane change once and never again. And my friend's Tesla MS FSD tried to take us over a guard rail on the interstate for no clear reason.....

Huh? I said the car is stunning. I did not say the car is a joke; driver assistance is a joke compared to Tesla in my opinion. The pin is on the Tesla screen before starting it. And is optional. Why not have it for people who want it? Tesla Autopilot is not perfect, must be watched constantly, but is much better than the dream drive. And why not have the option not to open all doors and once? I will try the valet card, and see if it opens just the driver's door.

o.barbu.dds

· #15 · 5 mo ago

cwang089 said:
autopilot wasnt eve out 9 years ago. My model X in 2016 had autopilot and it was already better than Dream Drive. It is ridiculous that Lucid is forcing Pure buyers to order Dream Drive Pro to get basic lane keep. It is so far from FSD like they are knowingly asking you to pay for vaporware. Reeks of desperation

I have the dream drive pro. Is a joke compared to the tesla S navigate on autopilot. I own both cars

Crdgk

· #16 · 5 mo ago

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Tesla Autopilot Crashes: With at Least a Dozen Dead, “Who’s at Fault, Man or Machine?”

A self-driving Tesla recently killed two people in China, and with many other reports of autopilot failure, the scrutiny they face increases

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75% of all NTHSA advanced driving assistance system crashes are Tesla's. They have a lot more cars out there but not 3/4 of all cars on the road with ADAS. People are dying with Tesla autopilot. AFAIK, not one crash with Lucid autopilot, admittedly early. Tesla is not ready for every day use. And I own a Tesla and Lucid and a Toyota Highlander.

o.barbu.dds

· #17 · 5 mo ago

Crdgk said:
Tesla Autopilot Crashes: With at Least a Dozen Dead, “Who’s at Fault, Man or Machine?”

A self-driving Tesla recently killed two people in China, and with many other reports of autopilot failure, the scrutiny they face increases

impakter.com

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75% of all NTHSA advanced driving assistance system crashes are Tesla's. They have a lot more cars out there but not 3/4 of all cars on the road with ADAS. People are dying with Tesla autopilot. AFAIK, not one crash with Lucid autopilot, admittedly early. Tesla is not ready for every day use. And I own a Tesla and Lucid and a Toyota Highlander.

If 75 % of EVS on the road are Tesla, and 75 % of accidents are Tesla, that means that Tesla accidents are in line with other EVS. If 25 % of EVS are Tesla, and 75 % of accidents are Tesla, Tesla has a big problem. Do you know the percentage of Teslas from the total number of evs?

There will be fewer accidents on Lucid because you cannot rely on the driver's assistance software; you must pay attention. People are overconfident in Tesla. There will be fewer Lucid accidents since Lucid cars are very few, in terms of the percentage of total EVs

So far , I can barely trust Lucid to keep the distance from the car in front of me , as long as that car moves. With stationary cars,Lucid has problems quite often

I tested the Lucid on adaptative cruise mode. It takes too long to"realize " that there is a car in front of my car when I drive at around 40/hour, for example, and the car in the front is stationary. It will go at 40 /hour without slowing down and then warns me to brake. By the way , does anyone know how emergency braking works? If I did not brake , I doubt Lucid would have been able to avoid the crash. Does it detect pedestrians?
cruising

If I am on an adaptative cruise, it will not slow down at a curve to keep the car balanced; it will keep at 40. Try it on tesla. It slows down at a steep curve when you are rcruising at a constant speed and then, after the curve, gets back to the speed you were driving at. Is smarter.

I can only hope that Lucid has the right hardware and a powerful computer ( the computer can be changed) and that the software engineers will design a great FSD

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Tomcrown

Discussion Starter · #18 · 5 mo ago

o.barbu.dds said:
If 75 % of EVS on the road are Tesla, and 75 % of accidents are Tesla, that means that Tesla accidents are in line with other EVS. If 25 % of EVS are Tesla, and 75 % of accidents are Tesla, Tesla has a big problem. Do you know the percentage of Teslas from the total number of evs?

There will be fewer accidents on Lucid because you cannot rely on the driver's assistance software; you must pay attention. People are overconfident in Tesla. There will be fewer Lucid accidents since Lucid cars are very few, in terms of the percentage of total EVs

So far , I can barely trust Lucid to keep the distance from the car in front of me , as long as that car moves. With stationary cars,Lucid has problems quite often

I tested the Lucid on adaptative cruise mode. It takes too long to"realize " that there is a car in front of my car when I drive at around 40/hour, for example, and the car in the front is stationary. It will go at 40 /hour without slowing down and then warns me to brake. By the way , does anyone know how emergency braking works? If I did not brake , I doubt Lucid would have been able to avoid the crash. Does it detect pedestrians?
cruising

If I am on an adaptative cruise, it will not slow down at a curve to keep the car balanced; it will keep at 40. Try it on tesla. It slows down at a steep curve when you are rcruising at a constant speed and then, after the curve, gets back to the speed you were driving at. Is smarter.

I can only hope that Lucid has the right hardware and a powerful computer ( the computer can be changed) and that the software engineers will design a great FSD

good point about the chip in Lucid. I have no idea how powerful it is. When I had my lease Model S Tesla came out with a powerful chip. They installed it for free in all cars that had full FSD. Will Lucid do the same if the develop a more powerful chip???

daveclaw

· #19 · 5 mo ago

I haven't read or heard much about (1) owner experience with Auto park, and (2) that "old school" sound of the blinker (lane change signal). Anyone?

eric.ladror

· #20 · 4 mo ago

Tomcrown said:
I just got the Lucid and I am very disappointed in the software. The lane keep assistant keeps trying to push me off the road. The drivers attention is a joke if I look down it thinks I am watching the road. If I look ahead it screams to watch the road. Why is the camera behind the steering wheel not by the rear visor??
Lastly why can’t Lucid auto open and close the garage door??

I truly hope these short comings will be fixed through software updates.

Actually the lane centering works very well in my car. I tested it only in Illinois where the test is not very demanding (pretty straight roads, no mountains) but it was as accurate as can be. As to drivers attention, it works too well. It does not allow even a brief look to anywhere but the road, which should be an easy fix.
I suggest you give it a little more time to get used to it.
The garage door has to be linked to the car,and once it is, it works well. What annoys me, however, is that it's a soft key that is hidden behind the Parking screen that comes on as I exit the garage. So you have to exit the Parking screen, call the garage function, and only then send the signal to the garage.

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