[Bruno]

I just read this article in Yahoo. https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-mans-road-trip-across-152619231.html

Curious comments about charging stations and Tesla. Thoughts? Comments?

 

[Lucid Dreams]

Welcome to the forum @Bruno! Do you have a reservation for an Air?

The article does a good job highlighting the current state of the charging infrastructure right now. Until charging can be as fast as filling up a car with gasoline (or close to) and charging stations become as readily available as gas stations it's going to take a lot for people to get adjusted to on longer trips. Range anxiety is definitely still a thing combined for people not wanting to wait long while charging.

Hopefully with the expansion of more chargers and the recent news of Tesla letting non Tesla EVs charge with their Superchargers will make things much easier for people to get on board with EVs.

What did you think of the article?

More On Tesla Opening Up Its Supercharger Network To Other EVs

Tesla's Supercharger sharing is really a no-brainer in many ways, but people are still concerned about how it might play out. Let's discuss.

insideevs.com

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Welcome to the forum @Bruno! Do you have a reservation for an Air?

The article does a good job highlighting the current state of the charging infrastructure right now. Until charging can be as fast as filling up a car with gasoline (or close to) and charging stations become as readily available as gas stations it's going to take a lot for people to get adjusted to on longer trips. Range anxiety is definitely still a thing combined for people not wanting to wait long while charging.

Hopefully with the expansion of more chargers and the recent news of Tesla letting non Tesla EVs charge with their Superchargers will make things much easier for people to get on board with EVs.

What did you think of the article?

More On Tesla Opening Up Its Supercharger Network To Other EVs

Tesla's Supercharger sharing is really a no-brainer in many ways, but people are still concerned about how it might play out. Let's discuss.

insideevs.com

With airline deregulation, range anxiety to me is made up by ICE to dissuade EV. What percentage of Americans would choose to drive from Nevada to San Francisco when you can fly? All of this distance driving to prove a point doesn't address average car use which is daily driving to and from school and/or work. My family is in Chicago and Louisville and we live in Indianapolis. 200 mile range gets us to both. No range anxiety.

 

[jivor]

Destination charging, ie. at home/work, etc., is part of EV travel; ideally the fast chargers are for midway boosts to get to the destination point, with overnight or at-work charging to top off. The long range of the Tesla S and potential range of the Air, at 350+ miles, goes a long way to alleviate range anxiety. As has been discussed, fast charging infrastructure has a ways to go, and Tesla is promising to add its network to the wider network; in 5 years, charging stations will double or even triple.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Destination charging, ie. at home/work, etc., is part of EV travel; ideally the fast chargers are for midway boosts to get to the destination point, with overnight or at-work charging to top off. The long range of the Tesla S and potential range of the Air, at 350+ miles, goes a long way to alleviate range anxiety. As has been discussed, fast charging infrastructure has a ways to go, and Tesla is promising to add its network to the wider network; in 5 years, charging stations will double or even triple.

I agree, keep in mind the overall cost of most EVs prior to the last 24th months. Until the $20,000 EV comes out. Most owners can clearly afford to fly.

95% of car journeys are under 30 miles...

Why range anxiety is a myth - Fully Charged Show

fullycharged.show

But keep in mind the real problem, discussed in first part of this video...

 

[jivor]

It's a choice to be sure, but a not insignificant part of American culture is the road trip experience. Infrastructure and comparable range are necessary to ingratiate EVs into the car buying population as a whole.

I would agree that a more robust high speed rail system would be very beneficial, but people like the idea of stepping out their door and into the mode of transport that will get them right to their destination with little to no notice. Convenience ultimately drives demand.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

It's a choice to be sure, but a not insignificant part of American culture is the road trip experience. Infrastructure and comparable range are necessary to ingratiate EVs into the car buying population as a whole.

I would agree that a more robust high speed rail system would be very beneficial, but people like the idea of stepping out their door and into the mode of transport that will get them right to their destination with little to no notice. Convenience ultimately drives demand.

You confirmed what's in the second link. The US auto industry dismantled an excellent city, intra and interstate rail system in this country and convinced people of just that fact.

I'd love to jump on high speed train kick back and have a beer like I did from London to Manchester going from Indy to Chicago. Doesn't exist.

Transfer to the Metra train and can be within walking distance of my brother's house.

 

[Air Head]

With airline deregulation, range anxiety to me is made up by ICE to dissuade EV. What percentage of Americans would choose to drive from Nevada to San Francisco when you can fly? All of this distance driving to prove a point doesn't address average car use which is daily driving to and from school and/or work. My family is in Chicago and Louisville and we live in Indianapolis. 200 mile range gets us to both. No range anxiety.

As someone who isn't a fan of flying I'd really enjoy a trip like that. I don't think it's made up by ICE, I think it's something people genuinely need to get used to when switching to EVs because there's fewer charging points right now than gas stations and it takes longer to charge than fuelling up.

Most of the times yes you use a car for daily driving and local driving. But you still want that peace of mind that you can go on a longer trip or a trip in cold weather and not stress where your next charge will be.

 

[TessP100D]

With airline deregulation, range anxiety to me is made up by ICE to dissuade EV. What percentage of Americans would choose to drive from Nevada to San Francisco when you can fly? All of this distance driving to prove a point doesn't address average car use which is daily driving to and from school and/or work. My family is in Chicago and Louisville and we live in Indianapolis. 200 mile range gets us to both. No range anxiety.

Range anxiety is real. EV‘s do not get the rated range. Take off 10% for the too and bottom and remove battery range loss of-vee time and what do you have? Range issues.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

As someone who isn't a fan of flying I'd really enjoy a trip like that. I don't think it's made up by ICE, I think it's something people genuinely need to get used to when switching to EVs because there's fewer charging points right now than gas stations and it takes longer to charge than fuelling up.

Most of the times yes you use a car for daily driving and local driving. But you still want that peace of mind that you can go on a longer trip or a trip in cold weather and not stress where your next charge will be.

We can circle back around once I have owned my EV for several months. Behavior plays a significant role. When I drive out of town, I always plan to stop for E85 in Lafayette when I drive to Chicago, which just so happens to be at Meijer that has a Tesla supercharger location. Same thing when I drive to Louisville, I plan to get E85 and Thornton's. I get the impression that many people just get in their cars and drive, I guess knowing that you can get gas practically anywhere. With Apps like A Better Route Planner, I am still not understanding range anxiety "TODAY." EV requires a different behavior.

 

[TessP100D]

We can circle back around once I have owned my EV for several months. Behavior plays a significant role. When I drive out of town, I always plan to stop for E85 in Lafayette when I drive to Chicago, which just so happens to be at Meijer that has a Tesla supercharger location. Same thing when I drive to Louisville, I plan to get E85 and Thornton's. I get the impression that many people just get in their cars and drive, I guess knowing that you can get gas practically anywhere. With Apps like A Better Route Planner, I am still not understanding range anxiety "TODAY." EV requires a different behavior.

You will. You will Understand range anxiety and you come to understand that Range is King. At least for the next 10 years or so.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

You will. You will Understand range anxiety and you come to understand that Range is King. At least for the next 10 years or so.

We will see if the estimated range holds at 517, I can't imagine I would have much anxiety. I had a Jetta diesel that had 500 mile range and I could drive from Chicago suburb to just inside the Mississippi border before having to refuel. We had to take bathroom breaks and eat before the car needed fuel. If the car also can get 300 miles in 20 minutes...

 

[TessP100D]

We will see if the estimated range holds at 517, I can't imagine I would have much anxiety. I had a Jetta diesel that had 500 mile range and I could drive from Chicago suburb to just inside the Mississippi border before having to refuel. We had to take bathroom breaks and eat before the car needed fuel. If the car also can get 300 miles in 20 minutes...

If the 500+ miles of range holds up I thunk you will be good. It’s sounds great. Now they just need to actually make them so we can see the real range for sure.

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

By using E85, I think I have begun to train my driving habits to switch easily to EV. E85 isn't available everywhere so you have to plan ahead. How many people nowadays get into their car, enter a destination and TRUST Google Maps, Waze or the vehicles navigation to get them there with no effort? Being old enough to remember needing to keep a Rand McNally Road Atlas in my car you didn't go on a road trip without planning. Then there was no street level detail. Almost every exit before you get to it has signs that say whether gas, food and lodging are at the exit. Once "chargers" are added to these signs adaptation will move quicker.

My co-worker said however he wouldn't buy a Porsche Taycan because it doesn't have the "engine sound," even though it blows the doors off many supercars. I am a bit frustrated with the circular firing squad mentality of EV manufacturers and owners. The goal is to get people to EV, who cares which one.

 

[dhilbe]

The Air Touring will be my first EV. Range doesn't worry me anymore. I can see by all the EV videos I watch...EV drivers simply build the stops into their driving plans. So, I will do that for my long trips. What does really worry me is charging station reliability and charging rate. I'm guessing I've watched 20 videos and it seems like the Tesla charging stations - you plug in and charge...very little issues. The videos I've seen where Electrify America is used...it seems like in 80% of the videos, the driver has some sort of problem - hand shake problem, charging suddenly fails/stops, or really low charging rates. If I'm on a long drive and stop at an Electrify America charging station and it fails - I either get no charge or very little change...I may find myself in a tough spot. I think until I get confidence in the charging network, I may find myself stopping more often to "top off". This will only be a concern on longer trips - when I can't charge at home. I'm looking forward to the growth in charging stations over the next several years. Thoughts?

 

[CraZ8]

Hopefully you will be able to charge at Teslas chargers in the next several months according to Elon’s tweets and the government infrastructure plan. They seem to be the most trouble free and ubiquitous

 

[dawktah LucidGT]

Only have single handshake. CCS doesn't.