[lucidairpureman]

Spoke with my advisor today and can confirm that the Pure will NOT have cooled seats (Something I personally was looking for). Also, no camera view in the dash when turning on indicators if equipping your pure without Dreamdrive PRO. No lane change assist with Dreamdrive but added if upgrade to Dreamdrive Pro. Heated steering wheel standard. No sun/moonroof option anytime soon.

Timing - I reserved mine in July 2021. Estimated invitation to configure Pure before March 2023.

Now - I hate what they did to the interior using WOOL and no alcantara anywhere. Really bad design choise as it cheapens the whole inside look of the car with grey washed out look and the wool will tear in a couple of years. Also, for those who booked prior to price increase, we will not get option of new blue color or alcantara head liner as an option. Very disappointed as feeling like waiting this long - I am stranded with older options. I should be allowed these newer options. Might cancel my reservation. Highly disappointed with wool and lack of cooled seats. Might just spend 75K on a fully loaded BMW 5 series.

 

[steveinarizona]

Spoke with my advisor today and can confirm that the Pure will NOT have cooled seats (Something I personally was looking for). Also, no camera view in the dash when turning on indicators if equipping your pure without Dreamdrive PRO. No lane change assist with Dreamdrive but added if upgrade to Dreamdrive Pro. Heated steering wheel standard. No sun/moonroof option anytime soon.

Timing - I reserved mine in July 2021. Estimated invitation to configure Pure before March 2023.

Now - I hate what they did to the interior using WOOL and no alcantara anywhere. Really bad design choise as it cheapens the whole inside look of the car with grey washed out look and the wool will tear in a couple of years. Also, for those who booked prior to price increase, we will not get option of new blue color or alcantara head liner as an option. Very disappointed as feeling like waiting this long - I am stranded with older options. I should be allowed these newer options. Might cancel my reservation. Highly disappointed with wool and lack of cooled seats. Might just spend 75K on a fully loaded BMW 5 series.

I wonder whether you are getting accurate information.

Which BMW are you looking at. I thought about the various I4s and the IX (I test drove the IX) but ultimately they were all too ugly for me. But the I5 could be interesting and it should be released next year as a 2024 model. The I7 is not only also ugly but way too big for me. So the only BMW I would consider is the I5 and until they release it, it is vaporware. In the meantime, I have GEICO's MBI to protect me on my loaded 2018 530e until the end of 2024. So I can wait for my Pure or its competition.

 

[Gladiator]

Spoke with my advisor today and can confirm that the Pure will NOT have cooled seats (Something I personally was looking for). Also, no camera view in the dash when turning on indicators if equipping your pure without Dreamdrive PRO. No lane change assist with Dreamdrive but added if upgrade to Dreamdrive Pro. Heated steering wheel standard. No sun/moonroof option anytime soon.

Timing - I reserved mine in July 2021. Estimated invitation to configure Pure before March 2023.

Now - I hate what they did to the interior using WOOL and no alcantara anywhere. Really bad design choise as it cheapens the whole inside look of the car with grey washed out look and the wool will tear in a couple of years. Also, for those who booked prior to price increase, we will not get option of new blue color or alcantara head liner as an option. Very disappointed as feeling like waiting this long - I am stranded with older options. I should be allowed these newer options. Might cancel my reservation. Highly disappointed with wool and lack of cooled seats. Might just spend 75K on a fully loaded BMW 5 series.

Same situation here and I may cancel as well and go with Model S. Not willing to pay $9k for lane centering feature while others offer it for free. The interior of the Pure becomes worse than a Tesla’s interior with glass roof!

 

[lucidairpureman]

Same situation here and I may cancel as well and go with Model S. Not willing to pay $9k for lane centering feature while others offer it for free. The interior of the Pure becomes worse than a Tesla’s interior with glass roof!

Agreed. One interesting thing that I noticed regarding the interior selection online, and I reserved mine in July 2021, is that it still shows to me that it is an OBSIDIAN black interior which to me, is FAR better than the grey wool they've got now....so perhaps they still allow me to have the fully black interior that I truly want. I have email my SA and we shall see what they say....

Yeah it seems odd that they want 9K for lane-centering....I can get a fully loaded feature set on a BMW or Audi between 50-60k with cooling seats...im so disappointed that we get no cooling seats on an almost 100K car !! It might just be a deal breaker for me...

 

[steveinarizona]

Agreed. One interesting thing that I noticed regarding the interior selection online, and I reserved mine in July 2021, is that it still shows to me that it is an OBSIDIAN black interior which to me, is FAR better than the grey wool they've got now....so perhaps they still allow me to have the fully black interior that I truly want. I have email my SA and we shall see what they say....

Yeah it seems odd that they want 9K for lane-centering....I can get a fully loaded feature set on a BMW or Audi between 50-60k with cooling seats...im so disappointed that we get no cooling seats on an almost 100K car !! It might just be a deal breaker for me...

For whatever it is worth, I have cooling seats on my BMW and they are so mild it is almost impossible to tell they are on.

I think every customer has to decide what is important to her and then make a decision on what vehicle to purchase. Saying car X has feature "a" and car Y does not is not IMO a good way to go. One needs to look at the entirety of the car, and its price and features, and then set that up against what you want/need and then compare it with other makes.

 

[lucidairpureman]

For whatever it is worth, I have cooling seats on my BMW and they are so mild it is almost impossible to tell they are on.

I think every customer has to decide what is important to her and then make a decision on what vehicle to purchase. Saying car X has feature "a" and car Y does not is not IMO a good way to go. One needs to look at the entirety of the car, and its price and features, and then set that up against what you want/need and then compare it with other makes.

Good to know...I live in Houston where it gets hot and humid so I always wanted cooling seats and the ones I've tried at the BMW dealership felt super nice with the cooling on...in general, I agree with your comment..but then I am spending almost $100K on the car and to see that other cars much lower in price point, have the feature I so desire, does not make me feel good about my purchase...so for me the cooling seats are a bit of a strong want that I was looking forward to in my next vehicle....oh well...we shall see what I do..!

 

[cwang089]

I will likely cancel my Pure. No highway lane keep is absurd and comes standard on Teslas. I also learned yesterday that the Pure only has a 250kw max charge rate which is BS. I understand that they are trying to do more to separate the Pure from the higher priced models. I don't think Lucid is in the position to do this in terms of pricing power. The demand for their expensive versions is very small compared to the Pure. If you can't offer out a compelling reason to offset all the negatives of a brand new car company people will just stick with Tesla.

Lucid has no network
Lucid support is still not there
Lucid software has been a joke
Lucid range on Pure is pretty much the same or worse than the S
Still no exact details on the full list of features the Pure will have
You can't change color to the new blue thats being released first if you locked in old pricing

I'm just going to wait until Lucid caves and if they force me to buy or cancel, i'd rather cancel at this point. I'd be more inclined to go through if I knew they would be around to support my car in 5 years

 

[lucidairpureman]

I will likely cancel my Pure. No highway lane keep is absurd and comes standard on Teslas. I also learned yesterday that the Pure only has a 250kw max charge rate which is BS. I understand that they are trying to do more to separate the Pure from the higher priced models. I don't think Lucid is in the position to do this in terms of pricing power. The demand for their expensive versions is very small compared to the Pure. If you can't offer out a compelling reason to offset all the negatives of a brand new car company people will just stick with Tesla.

Lucid has no network
Lucid support is still not there
Lucid software has been a joke
Lucid range on Pure is pretty much the same or worse than the S
Still no exact details on the full list of features the Pure will have
You can't change color to the new blue thats being released first if you locked in old pricing

I'm just going to wait until Lucid caves and if they force me to buy or cancel, i'd rather cancel at this point. I'd be more inclined to go through if I knew they would be around to support my car in 5 years

Yeah I have similar issues...I would have liked to see a list of ALL the features, their SA doesnt reply to emails, and apparently if you had old pricing you dont get new color ...I am thinking that this all is more painful combined than just getting a Model S and replacing the yoke with a regular off market steering wheel. Lucid made me go to Tesla's website! I hate that I have to admit and type that...haha..

 

[Gladiator]

I will likely cancel my Pure. No highway lane keep is absurd and comes standard on Teslas. I also learned yesterday that the Pure only has a 250kw max charge rate which is BS. I understand that they are trying to do more to separate the Pure from the higher priced models. I don't think Lucid is in the position to do this in terms of pricing power. The demand for their expensive versions is very small compared to the Pure. If you can't offer out a compelling reason to offset all the negatives of a brand new car company people will just stick with Tesla.

Lucid has no network
Lucid support is still not there
Lucid software has been a joke
Lucid range on Pure is pretty much the same or worse than the S
Still no exact details on the full list of features the Pure will have
You can't change color to the new blue thats being released first if you locked in old pricing

I'm just going to wait until Lucid caves and if they force me to buy or cancel, i'd rather cancel at this point. I'd be more inclined to go through if I knew they would be around to support my car in 5 years

I really liked the interior of AGT accept the silly phone charging station but they just killed that by having a woven plastic materials and fake leather seats as well as metal roof. Not sure how the company want to save these pennies by having too many different materials that require different storage, product lines and assemble processes!

In another community, we can see many Lucid owners complain about their cars for having interior noise, issue with the 12V battery, screens go OFF, issues with door handles, build quality issues, car change itself to drive mode from reverse while going down hill slowly, and 🐢 sign!

They should make their cars promote itself by including nice materials and features so they can beat others.

 

[cwang089]

Yeah I have similar issues...I would have liked to see a list of ALL the features, their SA doesnt reply to emails, and apparently if you had old pricing you dont get new color ...I am thinking that this all is more painful combined than just getting a Model S and replacing the yoke with a regular off market steering wheel. Lucid made me go to Tesla's website! I hate that I have to admit and type that...haha..

I have had an X and had an S with yoke. I initially hated the yoke but more so the turn signal buttons on the yoke. I even made a video showing my displeasure of the yoke and actually sold my first S plaid partly because of it. Then they added 'AI' to the turn signal so I tried it by getting a new X and now I actually prefer the turn signals. The yoke I'm used to and doesn't really bother me either.

I wanted the Lucid Pure because I was going to replace my Y and on paper it is a better car. I feel slightly cheated that it originally promised things on the Pure that they are now taking away. I like the fact that it is a 900v system and charges over 250kw vs a Tesla but if you don't allow the Pure to have it then that point is moot. I also liked the Lucid for its efficiency and from real world results its not even that much better than even a heavy X Plaid that I have.

People say that no one outperforms the EPA or matches it but thats not true. The German EVs are far outperforming their ratings on the highway where road trips really count.

It seems Lucid is trying to replicate Tesla's playbook and their pricing power but without the pros of a Tesla. I really hope Lucid figures this out because I locked in a Lucid at the pre-bump price with 7500 credit. But I think I will let it pass if they seem to be reneging on what was originally promised similar to Rivian.

Maybe they have no choice as tax credit got wiped out and material costs went up.

 

[lucidairpureman]

I have had an X and had an S with yoke. I initially hated the yoke but more so the turn signal buttons on the yoke. I even made a video showing my displeasure of the yoke and actually sold my first S plaid partly because of it. Then they added 'AI' to the turn signal so I tried it by getting a new X and now I actually prefer the turn signals. The yoke I'm used to and doesn't really bother me either.

I wanted the Lucid Pure because I was going to replace my Y and on paper it is a better car. I feel slightly cheated that it originally promised things on the Pure that they are now taking away. I like the fact that it is a 900v system and charges over 250kw vs a Tesla but if you don't allow the Pure to have it then that point is moot. I also liked the Lucid for its efficiency and from real world results its not even that much better than even a heavy X Plaid that I have.

People say that no one outperforms the EPA or matches it but thats not true. The German EVs are far outperforming their ratings on the highway where road trips really count.

It seems Lucid is trying to replicate Tesla's playbook and their pricing power but without the pros of a Tesla. I really hope Lucid figures this out because I locked in a Lucid at the pre-bump price with 7500 credit. But I think I will let it pass if they seem to be reneging on what was originally promised similar to Rivian.

Maybe they have no choice as tax credit got wiped out and material costs went up.

Couldnt agree more on the partabout Lucid..they just cheapened the whole thing...and yeah supply chain issues and tax credit going away hurts...but it is too much of a switch in what the pure might offer vs what they've been selling all along...I so wanted to like the Lucid Pure but without even knowing what the features are..Do we know if its gonna have Wi-Fi and/or LTE? .they're gonna have a hard time selling me the car...I might just get a model S...

 

[Amster]

I can totally see wanting some of these features with the current price of the Pure. But at the same time, it's totally normal for a car maker to include more features in the higher trim levels and eliminate them in the lower ones and the Pure is the lowest level trim. My husband has a 2018 Honda Accord at the highest trim level. It's got the turbo engine, the heated/cooling seats, the heads-up display, the electric seat adjustments for driver and passenger. If he had got a base model that year, he would have paid less but gotten none of that.

 

[cwang089]

I can totally see wanting some of these features with the current price of the Pure. But at the same time, it's totally normal for a car maker to include more features in the higher trim levels and eliminate them in the lower ones and the Pure is the lowest level trim. My husband has a 2018 Honda Accord at the highest trim level. It's got the turbo engine, the heated/cooling seats, the heads-up display, the electric seat adjustments for driver and passenger. If he had got a base model that year, he would have paid less but gotten none of that.

I understand that certain trims will get more features than others. Obviously the Dream/GT/Sapphire gets more features but costs more. I'm okay with that and certainly not asking for 1,100HP for $72k. I already have 1,100 HP with my Plaid Teslas.

BUT when I placed my multiple deposits for the Lucids I was expecting what they had promised which is highway lane keep, 300kw charging. Its really petty for them to take away the 300kw charging as I don't think it would by itself sway ANYONE to buy a touring over a Pure as it ultimately would only make like a couple minutes difference in charging. But to me, it is a differentiator from Tesla that maxes out at 250kw and just sounds pettty for Lucid to do that.

Now I'm also hearing rumors that Lucid may not have a powered frunk on the Pure? Plus the efficiency numbers i've been seeing is nothing groundbreaking. I'm more suprised at how the Germans are beating their EPA.

I am going to keep my reservation and hope LUCID eventually caves on these trim differences. Just like how Tesla eventually caved on their options lists and slimmed down their lineup.

 

[cwang089]

Actually, I don't even think the Touring gets 300kw..I think you have to step up to GT

 

[steveinarizona]

I will likely cancel my Pure. No highway lane keep is absurd and comes standard on Teslas. I also learned yesterday that the Pure only has a 250kw max charge rate which is BS. I understand that they are trying to do more to separate the Pure from the higher priced models. I don't think Lucid is in the position to do this in terms of pricing power. The demand for their expensive versions is very small compared to the Pure. If you can't offer out a compelling reason to offset all the negatives of a brand new car company people will just stick with Tesla.

Lucid has no network
Lucid support is still not there
Lucid software has been a joke
Lucid range on Pure is pretty much the same or worse than the S
Still no exact details on the full list of features the Pure will have
You can't change color to the new blue thats being released first if you locked in old pricing

I'm just going to wait until Lucid caves and if they force me to buy or cancel, i'd rather cancel at this point. I'd be more inclined to go through if I knew they would be around to support my car in 5 years

I finally gave up on Lucid when they announced the Pure but didn't provide any specs on the RWD version. A Genesis GV60 Performance suddenly popped up in my market and I grabbed it. Smaller (but I like smaller) with 429 HP (483 if you push the boost button on the steering wheel), AWD, Nappa leather, easy entry/exit, SXM, 1400 watt Bang & Olufsen system with 17 speakers, electronic LSD, etc. Other than being a shorter raised hatch (Genesis calls it an SUV) and a smaller range (240...a major disadvantage compared to the Lucid), it has pretty much everything that the Lucid has and an established network of dealers.

My fear was that Lucid would decontent the Pure to the extent that I no longer wanted it but wouldn't find out for many more months.

So far, I am very happy with my GV60. I did lose my HUD but pressing the concierge button got me to a tech who told me how to reboot the car and that did it. Did have to pull over but otherwise it was a simple procedure similar to the three finger salute we all learned on our computers. I didn't have to do the hokie pokey and turn myself around. And it does come with a fast charger capability (10% to 80% in 18 minutes) and it does have highway lane assist.

 

[cwang089]

how do you cancel your reservation? I need to cancel one of mine. Yesterday Lucid put out a memo to stop cancellations at all costs and they will call you up to 14 times and continue to escalate until you un-cancel.

https://jalopnik.com/lucid-trying-to-stop-order-cancellations-14-phone-calls-1849871830

In that same blog I posted this:
I was excited for the Lucid Pure but the did a bait and switch by not allowing you to charge at 300kw vs other models and the Pure not having even basic lane keep like Tesla’s for free. F’ them, I’m leaning towards cancelling at least 1 of my orders. Hopefully they get the message.
They essentially need to deliver whats in the Touring->Grand Touring at the Pure price. Especially because they are losing the tax credit.
The market for ‘used’ Lucids on the secondary market for cars with < 500 miles is horrid. I’m talking about taking a $30k+ hit on a brand new car essentially.
Also the brand image of Lucid right now is OLD. I only see old people driving them. Its not new, cool, and sexy.
I was excited about the efficiency and charge rate and rear legroom and extra screens.
BUT reality is the efficiency sucks in the real world, the charge rate sucks because of EA’s network and now Pure is capped, and extra screens are useless when the software is a piece of junk.
On top of all of that, for every $100k of revenue, they are losing like $150-200k just on a COGS basis without factoring in OPEX. This is before their mix is more of the cheaper models AND before losing tax credit.
They are in trouble...the Saudis are going to have to be pretty damn patient with them for them to survive. Otherwise you are going to have an expensive piece of crap without any support if they go BK.
I think the thing that makes the most sense is Apple coming in when they go BK and jsut buying them up on the cheap. Apple will excel on the software and the image.

 

[dmscafetta]

Good to know...I live in Houston where it gets hot and humid so I always wanted cooling seats and the ones I've tried at the BMW dealership felt super nice with the cooling on...in general, I agree with your comment..but then I am spending almost $100K on the car and to see that other cars much lower in price point, have the feature I so desire, does not make me feel good about my purchase...so for me the cooling seats are a bit of a strong want that I was looking forward to in my next vehicle....oh well...we shall see what I do..!

 

[dmscafetta]

Anyone know if the base touring model has cooled seats and lane keep standard?

 

[steveinarizona]

Anyone know if the base touring model has cooled seats and lane keep standard?

This inability or unwillingness of Lucid to even tell us what is in the base models is what led me to my Genesis GV60 Performance (which, by the way, I love so far).

 

[AirPure786]

Spoke with my advisor today and can confirm that the Pure will NOT have cooled seats (Something I personally was looking for). Also, no camera view in the dash when turning on indicators if equipping your pure without Dreamdrive PRO. No lane change assist with Dreamdrive but added if upgrade to Dreamdrive Pro. Heated steering wheel standard. No sun/moonroof option anytime soon.

Timing - I reserved mine in July 2021. Estimated invitation to configure Pure before March 2023.

Now - I hate what they did to the interior using WOOL and no alcantara anywhere. Really bad design choise as it cheapens the whole inside look of the car with grey washed out look and the wool will tear in a couple of years. Also, for those who booked prior to price increase, we will not get option of new blue color or alcantara head liner as an option. Very disappointed as feeling like waiting this long - I am stranded with older options. I should be allowed these newer options. Might cancel my reservation. Highly disappointed with wool and lack of cooled seats. Might just spend 75K on a fully loaded BMW 5 series.

I BOOKED MINE IN OCT 2021, GOT THE OLD PRICING CONFIGURED WITH BLUE COLOR ($800) AND THE ALCANTARA HEADLINER($800) PRO SOUND SYSTEM $2800 BUT NO DDP. ITS SAD THAT PURE WILL MISS A LOT OF NICE FEATURES( NO POWER FRUNK, COOLED SEATS, 3D VIEW AND THE LIST GOES ON). THTA IS WHY Mr. RAWLINSON SAID " ITS THE PUREST FORM OF AIR". NOW WE KNOW WHAT HE MEAN LOL. I WILL KEEP THE CAR WHEN I GET IT AND WILL SELL IT ONCE I GET MY CYBER TRUCK(5 YEARS).